Dont-be-a-gun-dork-in-traffic-stops

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On numerous Internet forums, and some email lists, gun owners periodically report being hassled by police when pulled over for routine traffic infractions. These gun owners often complain of being detained for longer than necessary to issue a traffic summons, being temporarily disarmed, and having the serial numbers of the guns recorded.

But often there is a common thread to these stories – the dorky gun owner brought up the gun thing all on her own!

Traffic stop gun dork behavior comes in a variety of flavors, but here are the major ones:

The I gotta show my carry permit gun dork: This gun owner, for whatever reason, insists on notifying the officer she holds a gun carry permit. Maybe thinking the officer will give her “professional courtesy” and not issue a summons if the officer sees the permit, the gun dork slyly exposes her permit while finding her driver’s license, or maybe asks, batting her eyes, “officer, do you want to see my concealed handgun permit?”

The I gotta notify the officer I have a gun gun dork: This gun owner, even when in many or most states like Virginia and Pennsylvania which do not require gun owners to notify officers that they have a gun, always starts the conversation with police officers with “I have a gun!,” or words to that effect. And regardless of how toastmaster smooth this gun dork thinks he can speak, the officer likely perceives the relevant communication simply as “I have a gun!” when his brain processes this spontaneous statement by the unknown subject he has just seized.

The I gotta act like the police might shoot me gun dork: This gun owner, after turning on his dome light even in day time as if his balding head needs illumination, grips his steering wheel in white knuckled determination to refuse any temptation to move or open his wallet and glove box to get his driver’s license, registration, and proof of insurance. Nosirreeee, this gun dork is gonna to wait 'till the officer gets to the window and tells him how to chew soup today.

And sometimes these gun dorks execute more than one of these behaviors, or one of several others oddities – like my favorite: getting out of their car “to meet the officer on equal ground.”

Just compare these gun dorky behaviors to what most motorists do in a traffic stop: First they say “oh [insert favorite explicative]!” Second, they pull over in a spot that gives the officer a place to park too. Third, they take a deep breath and then get out their driver’s license, registration, and proof of insurance – about that time the officer is walking up and observing this normal behavior and saying something like “good morning sir, I need see your license and registration.”

At this point the normal motorist tries to seem relaxed as possible, slightly apologetic too, and does a little Colombo routine, something like: “Oh, ahh, sure officer, I think these are up to date, ahh, do you want that insurance thingy too?” Over the next few minutes the officer runs checks on your docs, gives you a short lecture, and then issues you a warning or summons and everybody is on their way.

Incredibly, gun dorks seem surprised or infuriated when things go differently for them. Gun dorks should think for a minute and realize that what they are saying or doing is frankly very strange and unnerving and creates a problem for the police officer that he must deal with – and deal with in only a few seconds based upon what his training, instincts, recollection of possible department policies, and personal biases tell him to do at that instant.

And let’s not forget the relevant social and economic incentives for police officer behavior – if the officer treats the gun dork like any other ordinary motorist after the gun dork communicates “gun!” in one way or another, and something bad happens during that traffic stop, do you think that officer is goin’ to get selected for Detective anytime soon?

So here’s a great New Year’s resolution for 2010: Don’t be a gun dork in traffic stops!

Happy New Year!
 
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I've always heard that Police Officers appreciated motorists telling them they had their licensed handgun with them.

What if while reaching for your wallet, you expose your handgun and haven't told the Officer you have a handgun on you? I carry my revolver in a holster directly over my back pocket, when I pull out my wallet, my hand is directly over my holstered handgun. I think I'm going to tell a Police Officer I have a handgun first before he see's it and thinks I'm a bad guy...
BTW, I got my first carry permit in North Carolina, where the law states you must notify the Officer you are carrying.
 
If i were to get stopped,i would tell the police when i am carrying a gun.We don't have to have a permit to carry where people can see it-i have a permit which lets me carry concealed.
 
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If you live in a state where the law requires you to inform a LEO you are armed, then you should.

I don't, so I don't. If he returns to my car and asks if I'm armed (after running my DL, then I tell him/her. Not much point in showing my CCL after the computer/dispatcher has already informed them I have one.

I've never been a cop. But it seems to me if I was, and walked up to a car I stopped. And first thing somebody starts blathering about having a gun, I'd get a little antsy.
 
I'm a by the book type. I do what's required by law, no more, no less.

If the law requires me to notify (which in Ohio it does, but ONLY when armed), then I notify. If it does not, I won't.

Notifying when not required is no guarantee of any particular outcome. There have been incidents, such as the one in Fairfax County, VA where people have been treated VERY badly because they notified when they didn't need to.

I have no desire to have any contact with the police. I therefore endeavor to obey the law, whether it be traffic or CCW law. I'm not interested in trying to get away with things I know I shouldn't do in the first place, via made up "courtesies".

If I adhere strictly to the law, I can have no legitimate problem with the legal system. A PERSONAL problem on the part of an LEO because I obey the letter of the law is HIS problem, not mine.
 
Uh, what's the problem Officer?
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Very good post, roundgunner.

But don't forget about the "gun dorks" that deck their pickup trucks out with various firearm manufacturer and pro-2nd Amendment stickers, along with their personalized "1SHT 1KL" license plate, and then get offended and bitch about it online when the officer politely asks if they have any weapons in the vehicle.

And there's the mother of all traffic stop dorks, though not necessarily a "gun dork": He's got a car (possibly a retired Crown Victoria Police Intercepter) covered in "Thin Blue Line" and FOP stickers, and whips out a security guard or concealed carry badge when the officer approaches only to become incredibly offended when he doesn't get "professional courtesy". Occasionally followed by an arrest for illegal installation or operation of a blue light, for the real whackos.
 
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Don't forget about the "gun dorks" that deck their pickup trucks out with various firearm manufacturer and pro-2nd Amendment stickers, along with their personalized "1SHT 1KL" license plate, and then get offended and bitch about it online when the officer politely asks if they have any weapons in the vehicle.
Yup... the "Suck My Glock" stickers are a definite attention getter.

However, I did like a personal plate that I saw yesterday that was "XRING"... a little "inside baseball" talk.
 
If you are CC here you have to tell the cop your are carrying.

Why I don't believe in the laws supporting cc, the NRA to date ( they are no better than the politicians that have ruined this country and play by the politician rules) and distrust all cops at a biblical level concerning my right to bear arms.

I also work hard to be a good boy with a limited life to enjoy what freedoms I have left and avoid police contact the best I can through obeying the socialist laws in place in this once great land.
 
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This topic has been discussed repeatedly in the Forum but always elicits some new viewpoints. That's cool. :)

Here's a professional opinion from one who retired after 30+ years as a LEO and has carried a gun for more than half my life...now CCW as a citizen. If you elect NOT to advise the LEO with whom you're interacting that you are toting a gun, you better make sure he/she doesn't see it accidentally. No, you're not gonna get locked up if it's legal in the jurisdiction you're in, but you likely will find yourself in a rather uncomfortable circumstance.

Trust me, cops don't like surprises; in particular surprises that have the potential to hurt them.

Be safe.

PS:

There are very effective street "tells" that most LEO's recognize. They also know that many folks who convey a gun in their vehicle keep it within reach.
 
This topic has been discussed repeatedly in the Forum but always elicits some new viewpoints. That's cool. :)


Trust me, cops don't like surprises; in particular surprises that have the potential to hurt them.

Be safe.

PS:

There are very effective street "tells" that most LEO's recognize. They also know that many folks who convey a gun in their vehicle keep it within reach.

I agree. I have only been stopped a couple times as an adult. Both times for speeding. I try to put myself in their shoes, try not to give them the willies. Before they get to my truck my wallet is on the dashboard along with registration and insurance. I have veteran plates and a NRA instructor sticker on the front and rear windows. I don’t announce I’m carrying, I have never been asked, I don’t have my hands out of sight. That is how I would want it to be if I was the LEO coming to talk to someone unknown. I do yes sir/maim to most people I don’t know out of respect so that come natural for me.

This seems like common sense to me.

P.S. once I got the ticket. Once I got the warning. Pretty good I’d say.
 
If only I didn't live in a state where the "dork" law markers insist you be a "gun dork".
 
I guess I am the dork that keeps my hands on the steering wheel until the cop is at the window and I tell him exactly what I am doing and ask his permission to unbuckle my seat belt and reach for my wallet. I remember this from Drivers Ed. in the late 1960's. I would rather have the cop think I was an old dork then shoot me because he thought I was trying to hurt him.
 
Pretty broad paintbrush. While I'm sure there are a few 'gun dorks', assuming everyone who tells a cop is one is rather stereotypical. Our state requires us to inform LEO's with whom we have an interaction that we have a ccp.
 
I think we'll probably have to agree to disagree on this one.

While I agree there are some "Gun Dorks" that may aggravate the situation with their behavior. They may even elevate the officer's stress level by their actions of acting nervously, blurting out they have a gun or being obstinate. My common sense and the officer's I have done ride-a-longs with tell me to notify them when carrying.

We have no legal requirement here in Arizona to notify an officer if we are pulled over. However, I don't want an officer on heightened alert if he sees the butt of my gun protruding from under my cover garment while I am reaching for the glove box to get my registration and proof of insurance. Chances are thet he wouldn't but why take the chance? I just prefer to let the officer start the conversation and my first response is to calmly state that I do have a concealed carry permit and I am currently carrying a firearm. I'm not going to blurt out, "I HAVE A GUN!" or try and be slob and deboner by slipping him my permit with my license without saying anything.

Individual thoughts may vary but this is my attitude and what works for me. I've actually had to do this 3 times now:

The first time was when Waste Management literally ran over my F-150 with one of their trucks. I was bruised, burned and bleeding from the airbag deploying. I did inform the responding officer and he did take possession of my firearm for the duration of the stop. It was a good thing since the paramedics had to remove my shirt and bandage my ribcage. It would have been a surprise for them to remove my shirt and see a Glock 36 on my hip.

The second time was with Arizona Highway Patrol when a bimbo talking on her cell phone rear ended my GTO on the Loop 101. I did inform the officer, he was professional, didn't really seem bothered that I was carrying and we even had a few laughs as he was writing his report. "Of course I'm going to cite her and find her at fault, she can't shoot me..."

The third time was with the local municipality. He did take possession of my gun, which I wasn't thrilled with but I was let go with a warning for 14 over (I know, dumb) and we had a conversation about the merits of the Smith & Wesson Centennial design for revolvers.

So I will continue to inform an officer if I am carrying. However, I'm not going to be a "Gun Dork" and scream, "I HAVE A GUN!", expect preferential treatment because I have a permit and carry, or expect to be hauled off to Sheriff Joe's Tent City for informing an officer that I am carrying.
 
I must be a gun dork then, I got two Glock stickers on my pickumuptruck.
Also two NRA stickers, yup, I'm a gun dork, just wanting to get pulled over by a cop dork.
 
Hmmmm......From all these comments, it would seem there is remote possibility there may be some "dorks" that wear badges, too.....:D
 
To add a little excitement in your life, the next time you get pulled over you could:

1. Fling open the car door.
2. Rapidly exit your vehicle facing the Officer.
3. Announce in a loud voice "I HAVE A GUN".
4. Reach for your wallet and permit.
 
When I was working the street, I always assumed that a driver may be armed. You just never know.
If a motorist was an armed criminal, they are surely NOT going to tell you they are armed.
Because of mixed laws concerning CCW in surrounding states, I always thanked the motorist when they told me they were armed. And I was also glad that they were not an armed felon who just shot at me.
Can't speak for all LE's, but you usually get treated the way that you present yourself.
 
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