I told the NRA today I agree with background checks

Just joined the NRA this week due to the persuasive powers of the many good people on this Forum.

On the phone with them today to confirm my membership and I mentioned to the nice lady on the phone that I agreed with background checks.

Her answer was that they appreciated my input and that they agreed that there were certain people, like the insane and violent felons, who should not have guns.

I suspect that a universal background check will be passed with overwhelming support.

"I agreed with background checks."


I DO NOT!!!

red feather said:

"I agreed with background checks."


I DO NOT!!!

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You are certainly entitled to your opinion.

Why should we have to go to some state entity and pay a fee for a back ground check to sell a gun to someone I know to be a law abiding citizen with no other disqualifers in their personal history?

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Unless it is you you do not really know.

If it is reasonable to deny guns to the insane and violent felons, background checks are reasonable.

If someone thinks there should be no restrictions, no background checks make sense.

As I understand the proposal, you may be limited to one 25 round box of ammunition a month, and pay the $25 charge for the background check.
Geoff
Who finds this a very bad thing indeed.

firearm ownership is a right, not a privilege. There should be no background checks of any kind. Private sales should be protected. The GCA of 1968, which barred felons from owning firearms, should be repealed.

Outlawing private sales is a huge step down the slippery slope.

bushmaster1313 said:

Just joined the NRA this week due to the persuasive powers of the many good people on this Forum.

On the phone with them today to confirm my membership and I mentioned to the nice lady on the phone that I agreed with background checks.

Her answer was that they appreciated my input and that they agreed that there were certain people, like the insane and violent felons, who should not have guns.

I suspect that a universal background check will be passed with overwhelming support.

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I agree. I'm for it. I also don't see why it's not universally supported. We want to keep guns out of the hands of wackos. What other way is there. (That is not rhetorical, I am really asking the question)

You've probably just joined the enemy camp. And the libs will seize upon it to imply many gun owner (all deluded) agree with them.

So you've made a decision all on your own. Please explain to those of us here how that would work. I guess you think you can just pick up a phone, call Obama or Pelosi or Finestein and they'll tell you its OK? Oh wait, there is no infrastructure for you to do that. There is no way you can perform a background check. The system in place was even called the Insta-check because if it had been correctly named, the sometimes just slow check, and other times non-working check, it would never have passed.

Hey did you hear that Colorado has a state run system. They used to brag about how quick it was. Now its out to weeks and the legislature just refused to appropriate more money, saying the burden should be on the buyer. But then there is now way for buyers to do that.

Basically its a state (or Federal) imposed red tape nightmare.

So just for the fun of it, say you've got a gun and you've decided you want to sell it. The guy next door wants to buy it and you've agreed to a fair price. so which of you wants to pay the extra $30 or $50? How can you background check the guy? The simple answer is you can't, but you can both appear at an already over crowded gun store and ask them. Except they don't want to bother so they tell you to come back when they're not busy.

I even agree that the idea of a background check on everyone is an attractive pipe dream. It will never happen because the devil is in the details. I think sellers should be checked, too. Maybe they can't even legally possess it or sell it. I also think the gun itself should be checked to be sure its not stolen. Helps everyone except for the details.. There just isn't a way to do it.

The liberals have even figured out this is a divide an conquer opportunity. A bunch of ignorant and misguided folks think it sounds good. Even the gun shops love it. They can overcharge for a few minutes clerical work and a phone call. And chances are it will go thru if they can ever get the government folks and the computer they use isn't overworked. So now you've got gun owners pitted against the gun stores.

I'd say gun shows should put a table in place to do the checks. I'd like to know the gun I'm buying isn't stolen, and they degenerate trying to buy my gun isn't a murderer. But what would really be fun is to have the law say if it isn't instant, then the transaction can go through. Can you imagine the fun of having the onus on the government to perform!

Unless there is a way to be less intrusive, it would become unworkable, which is just what the idiots want. No thanks.

bushmaster1313 said:

Just joined the NRA this week due to the persuasive powers of the many good people on this Forum.

On the phone with them today to confirm my membership and I mentioned to the nice lady on the phone that I agreed with background checks.

Her answer was that they appreciated my input and that they agreed that there were certain people, like the insane and violent felons, who should not have guns.

I suspect that a universal background check will be passed with overwhelming support.

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This is an unfortunate development.

Last year in college I wrote a term paper on Concealed Carry as a national policy solution for gun violence. That naturally required me to research the topic , so I plumbed the congressional files on the subject via my university's govt. database and ATF print publications.

What I found was shocking. In addition to juicy F&F testimony which never made it to public knowledge (access to this database requires a paid subscription if you're not a University student) , there was chapter and verse on Senate hearings in the mid 00's regarding the Brady Bill, which is our NICS background check system.

The Illinois State Police, one of the largest LE organizations in America, testified in front of congress that as of 2005 they had a FIVE YEAR backlog on prohibited files which had yet to be sent to the NICS processing center.

The reason for the backlog? Insufficient staff. The ISP just didn't have the manpower to simultaneously clear the backlog AND patrol the state fighting crime.

This is why bad guys like the VT shooter pass Brady Checks, because in the real world data takes time to transmit. Court documents and arrest records aren't beamed into the NICS system through Scottys transporter in Star Trek. Documents have to be mailed or faxed to the processing center, which then has to tell the computer that PERSON X is on the national 2nd Amendment list. If a bad guy robs a bank on Friday , the NICS system won't know about it until the following Tuesday morning-IF the LE Jurisdiction where the crime took place even has the manpower to send the data to begin with. If there's a backlog, forget about it. The bad guy will have months or even YEARS during which he or she can legally buy a gun just like anyone else.

Thus, the Brady System is like the TSA-a paper tiger, a fraud , a practical joke on the gun owners and law abiding in America played for the amusement of careerist politicians and their constituents, both of whom are ignorant of history, common sense, and the physical laws of the universe.

Expanding the Brady System to all gun sales is akin to authorizing the TSA to search people every time they get into their car so as to prevent auto theft.

If I hold CCW permit, which I do, having been thoroughly checked out by the FBI and State, why should I have to pay for a background check every time I buy a gun or a box of ammo?

If I decide to sell my car. I don't ask him for his driving record, I don't ask him how many DWIs he or she has had. It's none of my business! Same for a gun. I see gun dealers like the idea because they can charge a transfer fee for every transaction. I don't like Government knowing about every gun I own, if you do, fine, but I'm not going to stand for it. You can bet that when all private transfers are going through FFLs, it won't be long before inheirited guns are a thing of the past. Basically it's the first step to national registration, which is just old fashioned tyranny.

PA Reb said:

Mandatory background checks have been enforced here in PA. for many years and I never had a problem with it. Only those that shoudln't be allowed to buy a gun have problems with it and I've seen many of them go balistic in the gun shop when they got the news!

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Currently there are no background checks in PA between two individuals when long guns are being sold.

Well Bushmaster I have to agree with you.Background checks are a necessary evil these days and while I don't like them I guess the convicted murderers could be released from prison(as they are every day)and stroll into the gunshop and make a purchase without any question.Okay I know this statement is a little over the top because they would probably rather steal one than buy one.I remember my first couple of handgun purchases that involved a background check and a 7 day waiting period.So in light of that the check ain't that big of a deal if you got nothing to hide.As Pa Reb said we have had them in PA for many years and unless you're a problem child there isn't "usually" a problem.Too bad we don't live in a perfect world.

I think we need to pick our battles, and this is one we shouldn't fight. This measure seems reasonable, even to a majority of gun owners/NRA members, so we are told. Our friends of the opposing views opinion that WE are unreasonable is reinforced when we resist a measure such as Back ground checks. Now, if it turns out that they were disingenuous, and heaped a bunch of other stuff into the legislation calling for universal BG checks, then call them out on their motives, and fight it with everything we have. They think that we all think that every Psychopath should have a belt fed machine gun and 1 Million rounds of ammo, and of course, some do. Flapjack.

diamonback68 said:

If I hold CCW permit, which I do, having been thoroughly checked out by the FBI and State, why should I have to pay for a background check every time I buy a gun or a box of ammo?

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But still... You got a background check. I have no problem with this. I think if someone said you need a background check, or show us your CCW where a background check (both mental health/a criminal) id say absolutely. Great legislation. Lets do it.

Some here would argue, well in the case of Newton, no background check was needed because the gun was stolen. I am not for legislating every instance of every crime. But more often than not, those unstable mental whackos who end up killing 25 people have purchased guns legally, and there has to be a stop measure. We can't say, it's our right to own a gun, it's not the guns fault and then in the same breath say no background checks for anyone. It's true, it is your right. And it's true it is not the gun. However in the case of James Holmes are you telling me, knowing what you know now, he had the God given right to own a gun? It is a right, but it is a right with rules and parameters.

USAF385 said:

Currently there are no background checks in PA between two individuals when long guns are being sold.

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And then when they run the background check and keep a record of sale you have a gun registry. Nifty.

amazingflapjack says:

"This measure seems reasonable, even to a majority of gun owners/NRA members, so we are told."

Therein lies the rub. Who is telling you this,,,,the main stream media. No agenda there.

" Now, if it turns out they were disingenuous, and heaped a bunch of other stuff into the legislation calling for universal BG checks, then call them out on their motives, and fight it with everything we have."

What do you think they intend to implement? ,,,,,,universal background checks!

In my state background checks are not required for personal sales. If I were to sell a firearm to someone I did not know well I would require them to get a purchase permit from their local chief of police ( free in MN ) if they did not have a carry permit. I just don't want to be morally responsible for putting a gun in the hands of someone with a criminal record or a psychiatric illness that resulted in a civil commitment.

The purchase permit does not create a government record of personal sales. It only authorizes a citizen to make a purchase for one year from an FFL or in my case insures me that the purchaser has been cleared by local law enforcement.