The Last Standing Knight
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Saw one in a store over the weekend. I hadn't seen one in a while and wondered if they were still used or have been replaced with ASP batons and the like.
Does any LE agency still issue/authorize the PR-24?
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How would you train someone to employ " ethical, non-violent, non-pain compliant techniques" that include the PR 24? Joe
LMWIS
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The PR24.
24" of Public Relations.
24" of Public Relations.
The expandable baton is seen more often today than the PR-24 for several reasons. The PR-24 is somehat unwieldy when carried on the duty belt so was often left hanging on the screen in the patrol car and , thus, not readily available when needed. Also the certification training is required annually so a bit of a bigger bite in the training budget.
The expandable is more compact on the belt, may be quickly employed when necessary and only requires a one-time certification. I was A.S.P. instructor with my department and found that it was a bit easier to train our officers to a level of proficiency with the A.S.P.
The expandable is more compact on the belt, may be quickly employed when necessary and only requires a one-time certification. I was A.S.P. instructor with my department and found that it was a bit easier to train our officers to a level of proficiency with the A.S.P.
Joe, the PR-24 certification course covers the ethics and the level of force authorized within its place in the use of force continuum. Its main purpose is pain compliance, can't get around that. That's why it is supposed to come after officer presence, verbal commands and open/closed hand tactics have failed to resolve a situation.
As soon as I got a Taser. I took the Asp off of my belt and tossed it in my file drawer. When I got the Asp, I turned in the PR24. I wish I still had a 21" knurled handle Hickory stick with a thong. I might have kept the Taser.
Was issued a PR24 when I started at the Sheriff's Department. The training was a very painful two days. We were taught to spin it in different directions and the how to stop it also but you still would hit yourself several times during each different drill. I carried mine all the time as you worked alone 95% of the time with back up being 20 to 30 minutes away on a good day.
sipowicz
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LASD dies (pretty sure LAPD also)....if you want an ASP you got to buy it...but regs say you still have to have the PR24 accessible for riots. We don't have a choice between impact and taser and pepper. You have to have impact and pepper on you..taser is optional.
I like the PR 24 very much, but quite frankly it spent a lot more time in the car than on my belt. Personally, the expandable baton (ASP or Monadnock, and I prefer the Monadnock) are handier, but I still use them more for checking trashcans/bushes or waking drunks (by tapping them on the soles of their shoes) than i do for striking miscreants.
To the OP's point: My agency issues the ASP, but authorizes the Monadnock expandable. The PR 24 is almost never seen.
To the OP's point: My agency issues the ASP, but authorizes the Monadnock expandable. The PR 24 is almost never seen.
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ironhead7544
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When the PR-24 first came out, I got one and took the training. I also got laughed out of the station the first day I showed up. I showed them just a few uses, and they quit laughing. Everyone got one and took the training.
Some time later, my sergeant was attacked by a crazy woman at close quarters in a hallway. He easily pinned her hand to a door frame with the PR-24 and disarmed her. He said that without the PR-24, he might have had to shoot her.
All of the sergeants eventually became instructors.
Some time later, my sergeant was attacked by a crazy woman at close quarters in a hallway. He easily pinned her hand to a door frame with the PR-24 and disarmed her. He said that without the PR-24, he might have had to shoot her.
All of the sergeants eventually became instructors.
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Harleystoo
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Great tool. Lucky enough to take the instructors course from the inventor.
I think that LASD's untrained application (videoed) on Rodney King was the start of the PR-24s demise.
I think that LASD's untrained application (videoed) on Rodney King was the start of the PR-24s demise.
Haven't seen one on a belt in a long, long time . . .
Malpasowildlifer
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There are a few. One of the counties I work with does and was does not. The highway patrol and state fish and wildlife were for years. F&W finally dropped it due to the training involved to keep skills fresh. The highway patrol still certifies people at their academy but no one carries it after field training.
It is a great force option. There are a lot of techniques, thus a lot of perishable skills. Most guys and gals don't take defensive tactics seriously in my experience.
Mine authorizes the expandable one, which makes not sense. But, my outfit makes no sense.
It is a great force option. There are a lot of techniques, thus a lot of perishable skills. Most guys and gals don't take defensive tactics seriously in my experience.
Mine authorizes the expandable one, which makes not sense. But, my outfit makes no sense.
That would be LAPD.
That's too bad....
The training is the downside but the variety of strikes, locks, pins, take downs and defense is totally awesome and it's use can be escalated as needed from a shield to an all out weapon. It's too bad it's gotten a bad reputation from misuse.
The training is the downside but the variety of strikes, locks, pins, take downs and defense is totally awesome and it's use can be escalated as needed from a shield to an all out weapon. It's too bad it's gotten a bad reputation from misuse.
