Martial arts aren't 'real world'......

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I've always said that they are but you REALLY have to know what you are doing or you can wind up in more trouble. Here's an example of someone who REALLY knew what they were doing. A hostage taker is holding the police at bay in what looks like a mall area:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFoZ3f6wLvE[/ame]

There are several things that are amazing about this maneuver:

There is a crowd of people around the hostage taker that complicates any approach, even the hostage herself.

He assesses the situation quickly and slowly moves toward the melee.

When he takes off he closes the distance before anybody can react, even the policemen who are on the alert standing trying to deal with the perp.

Even more amazing is the way he inserts himself in spite of the people,instantaneously right where he needs to be to finish his move.

I'm not sure who this guy is or where he came from, but there is no question that he REALLY knew what he was doing.
 
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Here's another example of Judo in a "real world" situation.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YY6oqLhefo[/ame]

I'm no martial artist, but I've dabbled in a few different systems, traditional and modern, and based on my limited experience I think just about any martial art can be effective, but the practitioner has to be either 1) very good, 2) trains/practices as realistically as possible, 3) focuses on the simplest moves, or 4) some combination.

I studied Japanese jiujitsu (the particular system I studied was probably closer to aikido than Brazilian jiujistu) for a while and my classmates included police officers and security guards who used those techniques in "real world" situations.

Having said that, most people are probably better off relying on the KISS principle ("Keep It Simple, Student," as one of my instructors liked to say) and learn something like Krav Maga, Tony Blauer's SPEAR system, or Systema (my knowledge of Systema is limited, so I could be wrong).

Just my opinion.
 
ContinentalOp said:
Here's another example of Judo in a "real world" situation.

Judo Skills Stop the Threat | Active Self Protection - YouTube

I'm no martial artist, but I've dabbled in a few different systems, traditional and modern, and based on my limited experience I think just about any martial art can be effective, but the practitioner has to be either 1) very good, 2) trains/practices as realistically as possible, 3) focuses on the simplest moves, or 4) some combination.

I studied Japanese jiujitsu (the particular system I studied was probably closer to aikido than Brazilian jiujistu) for a while and my classmates included police officers and security guards who used those techniques in "real world" situations.

Having said that, most people are probably better off relying on the KISS principle ("Keep It Simple, Student," as one of my instructors liked to say) and learn something like Krav Maga, Tony Blauer's SPEAR system, or Systema (my knowledge of Systema is limited, so I could be wrong).

Just my opinion.
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Anyone else think that whole scene is "staged"??

The bystander just stands there with hands in pockets, doesn't move??. Towards the end, some shopper with bag just strolls on up??:confused:
 
I have a friend who has competed in and taught judo for many years. He works out several hours a day at his dojo.

A few years ago, a guy came up behind my buddy. The guy ended up with a broken leg.

The whole thing took perhaps 2 seconds.

This isn’t a skill level that can be developed by anyone other than those who start early in life and dedicate themselves to skill development and maintenance

By the way, the guy who ended up with the broken leg was a friend of my buddy’s: he’d walked up on him and startled him.
 
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Martial arts is martial arts. Back when I was competing I'd tell people I practiced the American Martial Arts, a.k.a. 3 Gun.

I agree the first vid looks like a police training film, but it's possible it's real, and everything just happened to line up perfectly for the guy wearing work out clothes and shoes to saunter up in front of the police who just happened to be nowhere around his side of the incident.

The second one is an example of how not to handle an aggressor; the first time he made contact he should've been put down and cuffed. (The victim looks like he's wearing a uniform - security guard, maybe?) And besides there wasn't any real technique involved, he just grabbed the guy and went down with him. Schoolyard level stuff, and if the aggressor had any real resistance in him the guard could've got real hurt or dead. Don't know about y'all's towns, but around here all the homeless/crazies/junkies carry knives.
 
vytoland said:
i have a personal "body guard"...my grand daughter......she will be receiving her Taekwondo black belt next month.....
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Ya givin errbudy Taco Neck!

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I realize it's an extremely unpopular opinion, so I rarely say it out loud, but in a lot of criminal cases I can't help but feel the reason a woman was victimized was because her parents never taught her that her life was worth defending. Simply having the Not Prey attitude can send an awful lot of predators looking elsewhere. Of course the ability to kick an attacker into next week sure doesn't hurt! :D
 
codenamedave said:
Ya givin errbudy Taco Neck!

Libby_my_body_guard.jpg



I realize it's an extremely unpopular opinion, so I rarely say it out loud, but in a lot of criminal cases I can't help but feel the reason a woman was victimized was because her parents never taught her that her life was worth defending. Simply having the Not Prey attitude can send an awful lot of predators looking elsewhere. Of course the ability to kick an attacker into next week sure doesn't hurt! :D
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thanks for turning the picture the correct way...i tried but couldn't get it right.....
 
rwsmith said:
...that you should not hurt anybody more than necessary to stop a threat but Krav Maga isn't one of them. I think the motto is "Don't spare the brutality because you don't want to be sorry."
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From what I've read there's typically a difference between the Krav Maga taught to the IDF and the Krav Maga taught to civilians. I had a little bit of training in Krav Maga several years ago, before it really started getting popular. I don't know which version I got, but I'd bet it was more of a "civilian-ized" version.
 
I'm not sure if it was Bill Fairburn or Eric Sykes who said this, but when being interviewed once about his experiences in the Shanghai Municipal Police prior to WWII (I suspect it was Fairburn given his war service) and being asked how he managed the oriental martial arts of the time, simply opened up his jacket, pointed to his pistol (a .380 Colt .1908 from memory) and said that he was "very experienced in white man's Kung Fu".

One of my former managers was a 4th or 5th dan Tai Kwan Do black belt. He fought competitively and was the Tai Kwan Do representative to the N Z Olympic Committee for several years (he had an ego and some bad management skills too but was an adherent of the "If you can't baffle them with brilliance confuse them with rubbish " school of thought). Everyone, cops and street strays, thought he was a pretty hard nut.

But he was not immune to being king hit from behind. And in the last decade before he eventually retired it seemed that every time he got into the ring to fight instead of referee he would blow the cartilage in his knees and be off work for six months.

He once told me that even though the crims knew of his martial arts background it would not protect him on the street in many situations.

Probably the smartest thing I ever heard him say.
 
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That's a good....

Kiwi cop said:
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One of my former managers was a 4th or 5th dan Tai Kwan Do black belt. He fought competitively and was the Tai Kwan Do representative to the N Z Olympic Committee for several years (he had an ego and some bad management skills too but was an adherent of the "If you can't baffle them with brilliance confuse them with rubbish " school of thought). Everyone, cops and street strays, thought he was a pretty hard nut.

But he was not immune to being king hit from behind. And in the last decade before he eventually retired it seemed that every time he got into the ring to fight instead of referee he would blow the cartilage in his knees and be off work for six months.

He once told me that even though the crims knew of his martial arts background it would not protect him on the street in many situations.

Probably the smartest thing I ever heard him say.
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That is very smart. You shouldn't get over confident because you are a great fighter. Just like you shouldn't get overconfident because you have a gun.
 
I have done my fair share of martial arts through the years (Hapkido, and Judo). Experts like the narrator of the second video bother me. If you are going to be a martial artistist, or proclaim to be, maybe put some time into conditioning. A fight is a physical activity and conditioning is critical. Being 75 pounds overweight is not going to do you any good in the fight or with your creditability.
 
Kevin J. said:
I have done my fair share of martial arts through the years (Hapkido, and Judo). Experts like the narrator of the second video bother me. If you are going to be a martial artistist, or proclaim to be, maybe put some time into conditioning. A fight is a physical activity and conditioning is critical. Being 75 pounds overweight is not going to do you any good in the fight or with your creditability.
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My jiujutsu instructor was a roly-poly guy. Put a red suit and a white beard on him and he'd pass for Santa. But the man will turn you into a pretzel before you could blink and I never once saw him get fatigued from working hands-on with the students in our classes.

Assuming someone can't be good in a fight because they're overweight can be a fatal mistake.
 
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