Martial arts aren't 'real world'......

Some people appear overweight....

I played tennis once with a friend that I thought was 'dumpy'. I found out that he was very athletic. Seems what I took for a 'dumpy' build was muscle. Don't judge a book by it's cover.
 
rwsmith said:
...that you should not hurt anybody more than necessary to stop a threat...
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In my school we teach to bring as much force to bear as humanly possible, as quickly as humanly possible. The longer a fight goes, the lower your chances of coming out unharmed.

There are three kinds of empty hand martial arts it the world:
  • Historical or Traditional
  • Sport
  • Self-defense

Every school contains aspects of all three, but also focuses on just one. For example, Taekwondo is the most popular empty hand martial arts school in the world and they focus on sport. My sister will test for her 5th Dan in Taekwondo in July. She can't fight her way out of a wet paper bag. That doesn't mean she doesn't have skills. She just works on the sport/demo aspect so much that in a real fight she's lacking. She's still better off than 90% of women out there.

In our school we focus on self-defense. It's hard to keep students because it hurts. As much as you try to not hurt your training mates, it happens if you're really training to defend yourself.

The guy in the first video took an awful risk. If he missed or didn't get a good grip on the knife hand, he would have been seriously cut. But that's the risk you take. Good for him. It shows that we're not just sheep willing to sit back and take it.
 
I grew up practicing traditional Okinawan karate. Haven't practiced in years and I don't rely on it at all.

Martial arts as a whole are more mental than anything else. Just like carrying a gun for self defense, what you have going on between the ears is most important.

Over the years I have found very few practicing martial artists that had both the mental and the physical skills to defend themselves effectively.
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As Mr Miyagi said.
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rwsmith said:
I played tennis once with a friend that I thought was 'dumpy'. I found out that he was very athletic. Seems what I took for a 'dumpy' build was muscle. Don't judge a book by it's cover.
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Agreed. My point was certain occupations such as police, fire, military, and even martial arts instructors should have a physicality that isn't expected of an accountant or lawyer. In the Air Force they called it military bearing.
That's all....
 
rwsmith said:
...that you should not hurt anybody more than necessary to stop a threat but Krav Maga isn't one of them. I think the motto is "Don't spare the brutality because you don't want to be sorry."
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That is incorrect. Krav Maga teaches to do enough damage to safely extract ones-self from the situation/area. The goal is to get safely AWAY...not to do harm.
 
My drill sergeant told us that our hand-to-hand was to keep us alive in a bar fight! Later, my XO (Army Ranger=3 tours in 'Nam and a battlefield commission) tutored me and he said= Surprise and keep punching. Dirtiest fighter wins=eyeballs, shins (instead of private parts), ears, etc. Tries to garrote you=go for the man, NOT the cord; break fingers, bite nose, etc. He looks like he knows as much as you, pull your knife. He has a knife, pull your gun. Don't stop until he is down and stays down!

Hunter Thompson said the reason so many Angels win fights is some city slicker dude lands a karate punch and stands back to see his opponent fall==well, the opponent may have a broken nose but he's had his nose broke before, maybe several times!
 
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A few weeks ago there was a Martial Arts type thread and I wrote:


"My little niece, 4'11'' 120 pounds 55 years old put a big moose of a younger fellow in the hospital when he tried to take her purse. Krav Maga was what she is studying. "


A lot of people liked it and perhaps what I read in this thread I should expand about the above lines

First off she is a bit on the crazy side, I doubt she is afraid of anything that walks the earth. Her two older brothers learned fast not to mess with her! She will not back down period! That punk went after her purse, I know he learned a good lesson.:D

Second she is in excellent shape, jogs regular, & runs marathons and most of the runs that raise money for good projects like diabetes research, cancer research ETC. Being as small as she is she is quite fast with her hands and feet.:cool:
 
Some years back a friend of mine wanted his two daughters to receive some martial arts training.

He went to a number of different training institutions and found that many of them emphasized "Kata", that is form, over actual useful techniques. He finally found one that emphasized effectiveness over Kata and that's where he took them.
 
Good call. The option is to have his girls join the wrestling team. In my opinion it's hard to find a better training system for a young person. Every serious wrestler I have ever met was in great shape and tough as nails, including my 13 year old granddaughter. Plus it's real easy to move to jujitsu or anther martial arts style once you are out of school, or before for that matter. Some of the best MMA/UFC fighters are former wrestlers.
 
Many years ago when I was a much younger man, there was this guy in town who ran a martial arts studio. Ti Kwon Do I believe it was. Anyway he had TV commercials for his studio and a big public image of being a tough guy. People who actually knew him said he was a total jerk and a bully.
Anyway, one night in a bar he got into it with this big ol' corn fed farm boy and they decided to take it out back. The martial artist takes a stance and is running his mouth about whipping butt. Farm boy picked up a piece of 2X4 and commenced to beat the hell outta this so called "Master" so bad he ended up in the hospital. :eek:

I'm too old to fight,
Too tired to run,
Mess with me and I'll just shoot you and be done with it. ;)
 
I had my own martial art, which served me well in 33 years of pre-taser law enforcement. It consisted of two moves.

Move 1: When possible, jump on the guy's back and apply a vigorous choke hold. Left arm, elbow under the chin, lift and squeeze. The closest it came to not working was on a suspected bank robber who launched our combined 400 pounds backwards into a wall. We broke the wall, but I held the choke and he "did the chicken" as Roscoe Rules would say.

Move 2: From the front, apply the Motorola radio to the center of the face with all the force my wimpy arms could deliver. They didn't call those radios "bricks" for nothing. I would already have it in my hand so the element of surprise was with me. Then apply Move 1 if necessary.

Either of these would get a cop today fired. Glad I'm retired.
 
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All that looks soooo cool. Wish I'd learned that kind of stuff. Now I'm way too old and slow and the bones are way to brittle. This is kinda bad news for any one who might want to try to mug me now a days. In stead of a good old Texas whippin' you get a .45 hollow point or two
 
Grayfox said:
Many years ago when I was a much younger man, there was this guy in town who ran a martial arts studio. Ti Kwon Do I believe it was. Anyway he had TV commercials for his studio and a big public image of being a tough guy. People who actually knew him said he was a total jerk and a bully.
Anyway, one night in a bar he got into it with this big ol' corn fed farm boy and they decided to take it out back. The martial artist takes a stance and is running his mouth about whipping butt. Farm boy picked up a piece of 2X4 and commenced to beat the hell outta this so called "Master" so bad he ended up in the hospital. :eek:

I'm too old to fight,
Too tired to run,
Mess with me and I'll just shoot you and be done with it. ;)
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I've known about several cases like this not too dissimilar to the situation you describe.
I have found in personal experience that while knowledge of martial arts is good, it is not perfect nor the end all to any combat or defensive situation.
I've seen black belts beaten to unconciousness in bar fights by someone who was only a street fighter.
Martial arts does not make you Captain America...in most cases, you are going to get hurt using it...or even charges filed against you and civil suits regardless of the situation.

My dad told me that the only fight you win is the one you walk away from...one way or the other...leave the fair fight for the boxing ring.

At my age, I am not going to go hand to hand with anyone...but I am going to go home at the end of the day and I think everyone here knows what I mean.
 
During the 50's my dad was a hand-to-hand instructor in the Air Force where he taught Judo to pilots. He taught me when I was a teenager but also the best call was always to walk away.

The only time I had to defend myself in high school I had a senior picking on me when I was a sophomore. I tried a throw-over head lock maneuver on a guy that had 50 lbs on me. I failed the move but ended up doing a wrestling DDT bouncing his skull on the floor. It knocked him out. I got lucky.

Dumb luck and skill of those involved all play a part.
 
Dunno about martial arts but the young lady that runs the rescue I volunteer at can pick up a 90# pitty and toss it in the back of my truck. :eek:

I would not mess with her.
 
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