Not really, but this is interesting. In “The Sons Of Katie Elder” John Wayne draws his gun on Paul Fix but uses a little trick.

Duke's Fast-Draw Explained: "Sons of Katie Elder" (1965) - YouTube

It's called movie magic....

Hand beats holster every time!

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I’ve seen Red River a few hundred times and there’s a fast draw scene where Montgomery Clift kind of pulls the same stunt. When he’s walking away and Walter Brennan says “draw!” as he and John Wayne go for their guns for fun, his is already in his hand as he spins around. I don’t care, though. I thought he was real good in that movie.

I didn't think that was all that fast even after watching the video.

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John Wayne was quite good with a six shooter and displays his talent in quite a few westerns.

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Meh....
There’s a reason he never went up against the Waco Kid!

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It's Hollyweird. I am a fan of the old serials, it's amazing how many one shot stops/kills they made with the old 38 Special RNL load.

"Well, raise my rent!" One scene that disappointed me was the movie where Duke's estranged wife sends for him to get their grandson back from kidnappers.(Forget the name of the movie, but he got introduced to the 1911 Colt in it, too.) Anyway, near the beginning he comes across a guy getting ready to hang a sheep herder, pulls out his trusty jack knife, opens it up and throws it and it sticks in the tree for the lynch man can to cut the hanging rope. It would take 2000 throws to get a jack knife to stick in a tree like that, from at least ten feet away, then it's stuck right beside the guy so he doesn't have to reach farther than arm's length. I suppose The Duke can do anything he wants, though!

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The John Wayne movie was Big Jake.

Best line in that movie:

"Not hardly."

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One thing I know from the "Sons of Katie Elder".

Many have perhaps wonder why JW carries his revolver so far back in the hip.

The answer is in that movie.

After being ambushed and hit in his right arm. He draws with his left hand from behind his back.

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Best shot John Wayne ever made
was when he was hunting with
Ward Bond. Crossing a fence,
his shotgun went off and hit
Bond in the butt.

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And that is "real life".

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Who said, "there is no such thing as a fair fight"?

My favorites: The Shootist, Rio Bravo, and The Quiet Man (it's not a western but one of my favorites).

John Wayne refused to do a scene in "The Shootist" where it was implied he shot someone in the back.

We all know Bruce Dern had no such problems.

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The funny thing about that "Bergman 8 shooter" is that it would be easier to use a C96. Much better pistol than the Bergman ever was. A 10 shooter, and available enough that it wouldn't be necessary to use a mocked up P.38.



Edit. Or they could just have used a Luger of the 1906 patern(the film takes place in 1909).

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Hooeyweird for movies, Bob Munden was the wrangler I loved to watch.
Then there was a fellow who was the wrangler who taught all the hooeyweird boobs to shoot, his name escapes me right now.

Munden relied on specially designed holsters
and highly modified SAAs to achieve what he
did. One modification included a "spoon" shaped
hammer spur to facilitate fanning.

The gent's name was Arvo Ojala, who pioneered
steel lined holsters and all the "trick" gear to make
Hollywood look good. He was arms adviser to
"Silverado."

One story goes that when the producer ordered up
holsters from El Paso Saddlery, the company provided
period correct looped holsters which rode over the
cartridge belts. He refused them because he wanted
"gunfighter" rigs, true Hollywood Buscadero designs.

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It's allowed, it's Hollywood. Yul Brynner's fast draw in The Magnificent Seven was thanks to a sped up camera in the infamous "clap your hands" scene. Horst Bucholz mentions in an interview they had to speed up the scene because Brynner was so slow.

I suspect if these fellers went prancing down the streets of on old west cow town in the late 1800’s there would be little need of gunfighting skills because the real waddies would have fallen over dead from laughter.

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The name I was referring to was Thell Reed, took some time but I found it.
There was a Twilight Zone about Rance Magrew who played sheriff on tv and annoyed Jesse James so much he came back and told him to smarten up or else. Mentioned the Dalton’s and the Kid etc.

Dasnake,

Yes, Thell Reed was and is as prominent
as Avro Ojala.

Reed was influential in dozens of
movies that weren't Westerns.

In one Western as adviser but also
actor he was killed when he
accidentally popped open his
break top Smith and all the
cartridges went into space.
Very funny.

Some of his efforts include
L.A. Confidential, 3:10 to Yuma
(the Russell Crowe version), Once
Upon a Time in Hollywood and
Tombstone.

At the end of L.A. Confidential, please
note bad cop Dudley Smith uses a
Combat Masterpiece, very appropriate
for the time period represented.

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I love the movie shane, if I could take one movie to a desert isle it would be shane, but watching it started making me watch the eyes of the shooters in movies and I'm always surprised how so many actors blink when the gun fires, alan ladd was fast but if you see it a few times you see the blink on the draw.
I watched an old mitchum noir the other night and he blinked, one thing this taught me is be aware if I blink, I didn't/don't.

I love Shane, too. I have to overlook the fact that in the final shootout when Joey yells BEHIND YOU SHANE he turns and fires a round into the floor and kills the guy above him on a balcony.

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Very much enjoy so many of the movies that featured John Wayne. All of the actors mentioned in this thread live in my memories gathered across the years. Very much appreciate this entire thread. Sincerely. bruce.

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John Wayne was skilled with a lever gun as well....

John Wayne shooting bikers. - YouTube


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I guess I need to see that movie again because I don’t remember that scene. Lee Marvin does the same in the movie “Monte Walsh”.

In “El Dorado” John Wayne is shot in the back by cutie pie Michelle Carey. Later his arm went numb from it and he drew his gun as mentioned from behind with his left hand when James Caan rode up on him.

Thanks for that. I didn't pay that much attention. I remember Duke saying something like it ain't even 1911 yet. That makes more sense now.

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Have you caught his early "singin' sandy" oaters in the early early 30s, they are a hoot.

Your eyes picked that then you saw the same flaw in Silverado, Costner back to the camera and double draw on the bad guys, both shots go to ground, for a bad guy methinks Dennehy ran away with it in manner and dress.

Almost every time:

... Spence brought in two revolvers and loaded them with blanks. He gave one to Jordan, who put it in a holster. He gave the other to a deputy sheriff, loaded and cocked. He instructed the deputy to point the gun at Jordan and fire as soon as the older man started for his gun. After a few moments, Jordan drew and fired. The deputy's mouth dropped open as he stood there holding the unfired gun...

Ed Cantrell Trial: 1979 - Fireworks In The Courtroom - Jordan, Gun, Spence, and Deputy
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Whoopsie. I mixed up things. The scene I remembered was in fact from "Eldorado" not "The Sons of Katie Elder". My bad.

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I think John Wayne probably did OK managing it legitimately...

John

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Paladin,

The second action shot of JW shooting
straight ahead proves he was no actor.
He didn't blink.

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Hand beats holster?please explain this also.

If this post was still pointing towards movies, there was a couple I really enjoyed that showed the dueling in a totally different light.

One was open range when costner shoots the gunhand without batting an eye on a stand down on the street.

The second was appaloosa where viggo open draws on the irons character at the end, the saloon shooting was a little truer also.

Sammy Davis Jr. was actually perty dern good with a six shooter himself!

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First time I’ve seen that, very good, thanx

Yes he did. Take a better look.

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He used to give exhibition shoots and put a glove on his left hand and fan a shell into the chamber of a 1911 after drawing it with no round in the chamber fanned the rear sight. I remember Thell

I really liked that movie, wish they would have provided costner with a six shooter though. That 12 shooter was a little ridiculous.

in 1971 and 72 as a early grade schooler ,i was in awe of how lightning fast Kid Curry ,in Alia s Smith and Jones ,could draw a pistol ,one second in holster ,next half second ,out of holter ,with out him seeming to move ,..got older figuered out ,they just stopped the camera ,..movie magic

John Wayne is one of our favorite actors. My wife and I enjoy all the old John Wayne westerns and have most on DVD. We frequently go back and re watch them. The Cowboys is one of our favorite movies and I have developed a strong dislike for Bruce Dern every since seeing that movie. We recently moved to sort of a rural area in small sub division where all the streets are John Wayne movie/characters. We live on Rooster Cogburn Ct (just off of True Grit) and love it.

Dennehy was my favorite character in Silverado followed closely by Scott Glenn. The 80s were pretty much a dead period for westerns in TV or movies, but I always thought Dennehy would have been great in more of them. He was in “Butch & Sundance: The Early Years” I think it was called. But he wasn’t cool like in Silverado.