John Wayne cheats at fast draw! I’m so disallusioned now!

[Kurusu]

The funny thing about that "Bergman 8 shooter" is that it would be easier to use a C96. Much better pistol than the Bergman ever was. A 10 shooter, and available enough that it wouldn't be necessary to use a mocked up P.38.

Edit. Or they could just have used a Luger of the 1906 patern(the film takes place in 1909).

 

[dasnake]

Watch the real thing

Hooeyweird for movies, Bob Munden was the wrangler I loved to watch.
Then there was a fellow who was the wrangler who taught all the hooeyweird boobs to shoot, his name escapes me right now.

 

[UncleEd]

Hooeyweird for movies, Bob Munden was the wrangler I loved to watch.
Then there was a fellow who was the wrangler who taught all the hooeyweird boobs to shoot, his name escapes me right now.

Munden relied on specially designed holsters
and highly modified SAAs to achieve what he
did. One modification included a "spoon" shaped
hammer spur to facilitate fanning.

The gent's name was Arvo Ojala, who pioneered
steel lined holsters and all the "trick" gear to make
Hollywood look good. He was arms adviser to
"Silverado."

One story goes that when the producer ordered up
holsters from El Paso Saddlery, the company provided
period correct looped holsters which rode over the
cartridge belts. He refused them because he wanted
"gunfighter" rigs, true Hollywood Buscadero designs.

 

[Donn]

It's allowed, it's Hollywood. Yul Brynner's fast draw in The Magnificent Seven was thanks to a sped up camera in the infamous "clap your hands" scene. Horst Bucholz mentions in an interview they had to speed up the scene because Brynner was so slow.

 

[6518John]

One story goes that when the producer ordered up holsters from El Paso Saddlery, the company provided period correct looped holsters which rode over the
cartridge belts. He refused them because he wanted
"gunfighter" rigs, true Hollywood Buscadero designs.

I suspect if these fellers went prancing down the streets of on old west cow town in the late 1800's there would be little need of gunfighting skills because the real waddies would have fallen over dead from laughter.

 

[dasnake]

Uncle Ed thanx

The name I was referring to was Thell Reed, took some time but I found it.
There was a Twilight Zone about Rance Magrew who played sheriff on tv and annoyed Jesse James so much he came back and told him to smarten up or else. Mentioned the Dalton's and the Kid etc.

 

[UncleEd]

Dasnake,

Yes, Thell Reed was and is as prominent
as Avro Ojala.

Reed was influential in dozens of
movies that weren't Westerns.

In one Western as adviser but also
actor he was killed when he
accidentally popped open his
break top Smith and all the
cartridges went into space.
Very funny.

Some of his efforts include
L.A. Confidential, 3:10 to Yuma
(the Russell Crowe version), Once
Upon a Time in Hollywood and
Tombstone.

At the end of L.A. Confidential, please
note bad cop Dudley Smith uses a
Combat Masterpiece, very appropriate
for the time period represented.

 

[dasnake]

All my faves

I love the movie shane, if I could take one movie to a desert isle it would be shane, but watching it started making me watch the eyes of the shooters in movies and I'm always surprised how so many actors blink when the gun fires, alan ladd was fast but if you see it a few times you see the blink on the draw.
I watched an old mitchum noir the other night and he blinked, one thing this taught me is be aware if I blink, I didn't/don't.

 

[sigp220.45]

I love the movie shane, if I could take one movie to a desert isle it would be shane, but watching it started making me watch the eyes of the shooters in movies and I'm always surprised how so many actors blink when the gun fires, alan ladd was fast but if you see it a few times you see the blink on the draw.
I watched an old mitchum noir the other night and he blinked, one thing this taught me is be aware if I blink, I didn't/don't.

I love Shane, too. I have to overlook the fact that in the final shootout when Joey yells BEHIND YOU SHANE he turns and fires a round into the floor and kills the guy above him on a balcony.

 

[brucev]

Very much enjoy so many of the movies that featured John Wayne. All of the actors mentioned in this thread live in my memories gathered across the years. Very much appreciate this entire thread. Sincerely. bruce.

 

[625-7]

My two wheat pennies ain't worth a wooden nickle

but I get a kick out of Terrance Hill

 

[Benton Quest]

John Wayne was skilled with a lever gun as well....

John Wayne shooting bikers. - YouTube


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[Eltioloco]

One thing I know from the "Sons of Katie Elder".

Many have perhaps wonder why JW carries his revolver so far back in the hip.

The answer is in that movie.

After being ambushed and hit in his right arm. He draws with his left hand from behind his back.

I guess I need to see that movie again because I don't remember that scene. Lee Marvin does the same in the movie "Monte Walsh".

 

[Wyatt Burp]

I guess I need to see that movie again because I don't remember that scene. Lee Marvin does the same in the movie "Monte Walsh".

In "El Dorado" John Wayne is shot in the back by cutie pie Michelle Carey. Later his arm went numb from it and he drew his gun as mentioned from behind with his left hand when James Caan rode up on him.

 

[jeffrefrig]

1911

Thanks for that. I didn't pay that much attention. I remember Duke saying something like it ain't even 1911 yet. That makes more sense now.

 

[dasnake]

Da duke

Very much enjoy so many of the movies that featured John Wayne. All of the actors mentioned in this thread live in my memories gathered across the years. Very much appreciate this entire thread. Sincerely. bruce.

Have you caught his early "singin' sandy" oaters in the early early 30s, they are a hoot.

 

[dasnake]

Well well well

I love Shane, too. I have to overlook the fact that in the final shootout when Joey yells BEHIND YOU SHANE he turns and fires a round into the floor and kills the guy above him on a balcony.

Your eyes picked that then you saw the same flaw in Silverado, Costner back to the camera and double draw on the bad guys, both shots go to ground, for a bad guy methinks Dennehy ran away with it in manner and dress.

 

[Onomea]

Hand beats holster every time!

Almost every time:

... Spence brought in two revolvers and loaded them with blanks. He gave one to Jordan, who put it in a holster. He gave the other to a deputy sheriff, loaded and cocked. He instructed the deputy to point the gun at Jordan and fire as soon as the older man started for his gun. After a few moments, Jordan drew and fired. The deputy's mouth dropped open as he stood there holding the unfired gun...

Ed Cantrell Trial: 1979 - Fireworks In The Courtroom - Jordan, Gun, Spence, and Deputy
- JRank Articles

 

[Kurusu]

In "El Dorado" John Wayne is shot in the back by cutie pie Michelle Carey. Later his arm went numb from it and he drew his gun as mentioned from behind with his left hand when James Caan rode up on him.

Whoopsie. I mixed up things. The scene I remembered was in fact from "Eldorado" not "The Sons of Katie Elder". My bad.

 

[PALADIN85020]

I think John Wayne probably did OK managing it legitimately...

John