John Wayne cheats at fast draw! I’m so disallusioned now!

[Wyatt Burp]

Not really, but this is interesting. In "The Sons Of Katie Elder" John Wayne draws his gun on Paul Fix but uses a little trick.

Duke's Fast-Draw Explained: "Sons of Katie Elder" (1965) - YouTube

 

[HenryT]

It's called movie magic....

 

[sigp220.45]

Hand beats holster every time!

 

[Wyatt Burp]

I've seen Red River a few hundred times and there's a fast draw scene where Montgomery Clift kind of pulls the same stunt. When he's walking away and Walter Brennan says "draw!" as he and John Wayne go for their guns for fun, his is already in his hand as he spins around. I don't care, though. I thought he was real good in that movie.

 

[prairieviper]

Not really, but this is interesting. In "The Sons Of Katie Elder" John Wayne draws his gun on Paul Fix but uses a little trick.

Duke's Fast-Draw Explained: "Sons of Katie Elder" (1965) - YouTube

I didn't think that was all that fast even after watching the video.

 

[sheepdawg]

John Wayne was quite good with a six shooter and displays his talent in quite a few westerns.

[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uu0h3GRBQ-U[/ame]

 

[Rudi]

Celluloid heroes never really die.

 

[s&wchad]

Meh....
There's a reason he never went up against the Waco Kid!

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d5QNALjIbw[/ame]

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

It's Hollyweird. I am a fan of the old serials, it's amazing how many one shot stops/kills they made with the old 38 Special RNL load.

 

[jeffrefrig]

"Well, raise my rent!" One scene that disappointed me was the movie where Duke's estranged wife sends for him to get their grandson back from kidnappers.(Forget the name of the movie, but he got introduced to the 1911 Colt in it, too.) Anyway, near the beginning he comes across a guy getting ready to hang a sheep herder, pulls out his trusty jack knife, opens it up and throws it and it sticks in the tree for the lynch man can to cut the hanging rope. It would take 2000 throws to get a jack knife to stick in a tree like that, from at least ten feet away, then it's stuck right beside the guy so he doesn't have to reach farther than arm's length. I suppose The Duke can do anything he wants, though!

 

[67tempest]

The John Wayne movie was Big Jake.

 

[Kurusu]

The John Wayne movie was Big Jake.

Best line in that movie:

"Not hardly."

 

[Rustyt1953]

 

[Kurusu]

Not really, but this is interesting. In "The Sons Of Katie Elder" John Wayne draws his gun on Paul Fix but uses a little trick.

Duke's Fast-Draw Explained: "Sons of Katie Elder" (1965) - YouTube

One thing I know from the "Sons of Katie Elder".

Many have perhaps wonder why JW carries his revolver so far back in the hip.

The answer is in that movie.

After being ambushed and hit in his right arm. He draws with his left hand from behind his back.

 

[UncleEd]

Best shot John Wayne ever made
was when he was hunting with
Ward Bond. Crossing a fence,
his shotgun went off and hit
Bond in the butt.

 

[Kurusu]

Best shot John Wayne ever made
was when he was hunting with
Ward Bond. Crossing a fence,
his shotgun went off and hit
Bond in the butt.

And that is "real life".

 

[Turn4811]

Who said, "there is no such thing as a fair fight"?

My favorites: The Shootist, Rio Bravo, and The Quiet Man (it's not a western but one of my favorites).

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

John Wayne refused to do a scene in "The Shootist" where it was implied he shot someone in the back.

 

[Kurusu]

John Wayne refused to do a scene in "The Shootist" where it was implied he shot someone in the back.

We all know Bruce Dern had no such problems.

 

[Kurusu]

"Proficiently father"

 

[Kurusu]

The funny thing about that "Bergman 8 shooter" is that it would be easier to use a C96. Much better pistol than the Bergman ever was. A 10 shooter, and available enough that it wouldn't be necessary to use a mocked up P.38.

Edit. Or they could just have used a Luger of the 1906 patern(the film takes place in 1909).

 

[dasnake]

Watch the real thing

Hooeyweird for movies, Bob Munden was the wrangler I loved to watch.
Then there was a fellow who was the wrangler who taught all the hooeyweird boobs to shoot, his name escapes me right now.

 

[UncleEd]

Hooeyweird for movies, Bob Munden was the wrangler I loved to watch.
Then there was a fellow who was the wrangler who taught all the hooeyweird boobs to shoot, his name escapes me right now.

Munden relied on specially designed holsters
and highly modified SAAs to achieve what he
did. One modification included a "spoon" shaped
hammer spur to facilitate fanning.

The gent's name was Arvo Ojala, who pioneered
steel lined holsters and all the "trick" gear to make
Hollywood look good. He was arms adviser to
"Silverado."

One story goes that when the producer ordered up
holsters from El Paso Saddlery, the company provided
period correct looped holsters which rode over the
cartridge belts. He refused them because he wanted
"gunfighter" rigs, true Hollywood Buscadero designs.

 

[Donn]

It's allowed, it's Hollywood. Yul Brynner's fast draw in The Magnificent Seven was thanks to a sped up camera in the infamous "clap your hands" scene. Horst Bucholz mentions in an interview they had to speed up the scene because Brynner was so slow.

 

[6518John]

One story goes that when the producer ordered up holsters from El Paso Saddlery, the company provided period correct looped holsters which rode over the
cartridge belts. He refused them because he wanted
"gunfighter" rigs, true Hollywood Buscadero designs.

I suspect if these fellers went prancing down the streets of on old west cow town in the late 1800's there would be little need of gunfighting skills because the real waddies would have fallen over dead from laughter.

 

[dasnake]

Uncle Ed thanx

The name I was referring to was Thell Reed, took some time but I found it.
There was a Twilight Zone about Rance Magrew who played sheriff on tv and annoyed Jesse James so much he came back and told him to smarten up or else. Mentioned the Dalton's and the Kid etc.

 

[UncleEd]

Dasnake,

Yes, Thell Reed was and is as prominent
as Avro Ojala.

Reed was influential in dozens of
movies that weren't Westerns.

In one Western as adviser but also
actor he was killed when he
accidentally popped open his
break top Smith and all the
cartridges went into space.
Very funny.

Some of his efforts include
L.A. Confidential, 3:10 to Yuma
(the Russell Crowe version), Once
Upon a Time in Hollywood and
Tombstone.

At the end of L.A. Confidential, please
note bad cop Dudley Smith uses a
Combat Masterpiece, very appropriate
for the time period represented.

 

[dasnake]

All my faves

I love the movie shane, if I could take one movie to a desert isle it would be shane, but watching it started making me watch the eyes of the shooters in movies and I'm always surprised how so many actors blink when the gun fires, alan ladd was fast but if you see it a few times you see the blink on the draw.
I watched an old mitchum noir the other night and he blinked, one thing this taught me is be aware if I blink, I didn't/don't.

 

[sigp220.45]

I love the movie shane, if I could take one movie to a desert isle it would be shane, but watching it started making me watch the eyes of the shooters in movies and I'm always surprised how so many actors blink when the gun fires, alan ladd was fast but if you see it a few times you see the blink on the draw.
I watched an old mitchum noir the other night and he blinked, one thing this taught me is be aware if I blink, I didn't/don't.

I love Shane, too. I have to overlook the fact that in the final shootout when Joey yells BEHIND YOU SHANE he turns and fires a round into the floor and kills the guy above him on a balcony.

 

[brucev]

Very much enjoy so many of the movies that featured John Wayne. All of the actors mentioned in this thread live in my memories gathered across the years. Very much appreciate this entire thread. Sincerely. bruce.