Liberty Safes--Backdoor Combinations

THE PILGRIM · Sep 7, 2023

The Gun Stores and individuals I know whose safes were breached -
The perps cut through the side or rear.
So that tells me that was the planned MO and they brought the appropriate equipment to do the job.

326MOD10 · Sep 7, 2023

BigBoy99 said:
The bean counters won! Liberty could have fought the request in court but that would have cost lose of money in legal fees. It was easier (and cheaper) to give in to the request, so that option was taken.

Liberty has no standing in fighting the warrant.

They could say no but the FBI still had a valid warrant to get into the safe and would have just destroyed it.

It isn't like they demanded the combination from Liberty. While I know it is in fashion to beat up on the FBI right now, in reality by calling the safe company they saved the suspect some money in the long run.

Actually did the guy a favor by not destroying his property.

But hey, believe what you want.

djohns6 · Sep 7, 2023

Liberty knows they screwed up . They have since changed their policy concerning this kind of situation and also now give people the option of deleting their combination on record .
Liberty was not under any legal obligation to provide the combination and it appears the owner was willing to make them destroy it to get in . His call .

326MOD10 · Sep 7, 2023

djohns6 said:
Liberty knows they screwed up . They have since changed their policy concerning this kind of situation and also now give people the option of deleting their combination on record .

This appears to have just happened last week. Where did you see they changed their policy at?

ColbyBruce · Sep 7, 2023

I find it odd that it took two+ years to track this guy down when the instigator of the incident lived in government housing a mere 1.5 miles away from the capitol building, and hasn’t been nabbed.

djohns6 · Sep 7, 2023

326MOD10 said:
This appears to have just happened last week. Where did you see they changed their policy at?

It's on Liberty's Facebook page .

326MOD10 · Sep 7, 2023

djohns6 said:
It's on Liberty's Facebook page .

Thanks. Not a Facebook person and didn't see it on their website.

The change makes sense for them. Cost of customers vs. someone's safe being destroyed and getting to sell them a new one.

LVSteve · Sep 7, 2023

djohns6 said:
It's on Liberty's Facebook page .

Might as well be on Mars for me, then.

Rustyt1953 · Sep 7, 2023

The wellspring of memes overfloweth.

sophie · Sep 7, 2023

Well it is what it is. There’s lots of people on either side of the line in this situation. I wonder why it took 5 FBI Agents to take this guy into custody. That seems like overkill. The security cameras at the man’s home showed 7 vehicles turning right into the property and another 3 vehicles turning left into the driveway a few minutes later. Not a clue who the vehicles belonged to. Law enforcement must have considered him really dangerous for some reason. The fact that Liberty supposedly has a master code or some magical way to access all of the gun safes they sell is a mystery to me. Never heard that before. Liberty Safe Company may have saved the man destruction of his gun safe by giving the FBI access to the safe but it still just don’t feel right. Just about everybody knows that with a good angle grinder you can cut out the side or back of the gun safe. Really the important thing to remember is the FBI had a Warrant against this man so they must have thought he was dangerous. The fact this man has multiple firearms and ammunition, just as most of us do, labels him a possible threat once the TV Networks and news people across the country get wind of this story. Still don’t seem right or fair.

djohns6 · Sep 7, 2023

sophie said:
Really the important thing to remember is the FBI had a Warrant against this man so they must have thought he was dangerous.

I'm at a loss for words . Seriously . Have you been living under a rock for the last couple of years ? Decades ?

Tex1001 · Sep 7, 2023

CH4 said:
I had Liberty swap out the electric lock for a S&G 6730 before it left the show room

I have 2 gun safes. Neither are Liberty. One is mechanical.
I changed that combination the same day I brought it home.
One is electronic. I changed that combination same day too.
Electronic safe had a cheep lock. After 3 years it started to
eat batteries. I replaced it with a S&G monster with a 12 digit
code.
Changing combinations to personal numbers makes a lot of sense.

sophie · Sep 7, 2023

djohns6 said:
I'm at a loss for words . Seriously . Have you been living under a rock for the last couple of years ? Decades ?

It doesn’t look like you’re at a loss for words.
I believe you got plenty.

LVSteve · Sep 7, 2023

I'm a little lost. What makes some of you think that a business has any duty to question a legally issued warrant? As the safe no longer belongs to Liberty, what legal grounds would they have for denying the FBI's request? It's pretty moot, IMHO. Had Liberty said "no", the FBI would have simply sat in the house awaiting a court order telling Liberty to hand over the goods.

Yes, I read where it said the warrant related to "searching the property", but I think it has long been accepted (or it might even be case law) that such a warrant includes all containers therein, be they safes or Tupperware.

PowderMeasure · Sep 7, 2023

I have a Liberty Safe with electronic lock and chanced the combo on purchase. I don't recall Liberty mentioning any master code (if they do have one, it should be something that you can disable).

However, the big question I have is "how did the government know he had a safe (or a Liberty Safe for that matter)"?

Monitoring purchases are we?

zogger · Sep 7, 2023

Default Combination for Other Safes?

I wonder how many other safe companies have "default" combinations to their safes? I have emailed the manf of the safes I have to ask them if default combination exist and how I can eliminate them.

Also, safes with key locks might also have master keys available from the manf.

LVSteve · Sep 7, 2023

PowderMeasure said:
I have a Liberty Safe with electronic lock and chanced the combo on purchase. I don't recall Liberty mentioning any master code (if they do have one, it should be something that you can disable).

However, the big question I have is "how did the government know he had a safe (or a Liberty Safe for that matter)"?

Monitoring purchases are we?

I'm not seeing a defined timeline in the article. They could have gone to Liberty once in the place.

zogger · Sep 7, 2023

"As the safe no longer belongs to Liberty, what legal grounds would they have for denying the FBI's request?" Since it is no longer Liberty's property what right do they have to give out a combination? If a company installs a security system in your home, can the FBI make that company unlock your home?

Tom S. · Sep 7, 2023

zogger said:
"As the safe no longer belongs to Liberty, what legal grounds would they have for denying the FBI's request?" Since it is no longer Liberty's property what right do they have to give out a combination? If a company installs a security system in your home, can the FBI make that company unlock your home?

Well, the FBI couldn't make Apple unlock a suspect's phone.

WardenRoss · Sep 7, 2023

zogger said:
"As the safe no longer belongs to Liberty, what legal grounds would they have for denying the FBI's request?" Since it is no longer Liberty's property what right do they have to give out a combination? If a company installs a security system in your home, can the FBI make that company unlock your home?

Well....can OnStar shut down a car they don't own?

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