15-22 vs 10-22

I was just wondering in terms of accuracy which is better the 15-22 or the 10-22 I like both in looking to shoot over 100-200 yards. I also want to stick with a .22 cal. I have the 15-22 but accuracy wise its around 2-31/2 moa at 100 yards is the 10\22 more accurate or any advice on another rifle that is.

To do the job ur asking properly. IMO, u need a bolt gun as it will suit ur needs much better.

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The 10/22 is probably the more accurate, but if top accuracy is your goal, you want a quality bolt action, not a semi auto. I have all three, and the 10/22 gets shot the least of all. For general all around fun shooting, the 15-22 beats everything else. The most accurate is my accurized Ruger 77/22.

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The 10/22 may be marginally better, probably on par with a 15-22 performance center model.

Good target/match ammo would likely pull in the groups with your 15-22 to sub 2MOA.

If you are looking for something to take out varmint at longer distances, perhaps a 17 HMR would be a better option.

For a bolt action 22, I would look at the Savage Mk2. The newer models with accutrigger, which I find really good for a stock trigger. No problem getting sub MOA with these and the right ammo.

Get a bolt gun.

I like my 77/22 a lot. She's very accurate with the factory barrel. It's the only bolt action .22lr I own, but there's a lot of them out there.


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jaredgunner185 said:

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I shoot the CZ 455 Varmint. It has no trouble shooting 1 MOA or under. The varmint model has a heavier, stiffer barrel and like all 455s, it has an interchangeable barrel system where you can shoot .22LR, .22 WMR or .17 HMR. The stock trigger is pretty good but you can get a real cheap trigger kit, that includes multiple springs to reduce trigger pull & several shims to reduce trigger creep. My stock trigger had no creep at all, so I didn't use the shims. I did change out to a lighter spring and now the trigger is just outstanding. No need for any expensive upgrade and anyone can do the changes.

The 15-22 is around 3 MOA and I would never shoot past 100 yards. I actually never shoot it past 50. It is a great plinker & a great AR trainer. It is actually a great trainer for novice shooters. However, it is not a tack driver and was not designed to be such.

You can make a 10/22 shoot moa,but it won't be cheap!

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You can make a 10/22 shoot moa,but it won't be cheap!

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Here's my take on it:

If you want a super accurate tricked out 10-22, you are going to have to drop some money on a barrel and whatnot.

If you want a accurate semiauto shooter right out of the box, go Marlin M60. They are hard to beat.

If you want a fun .22 that is really reliable and pretty darn accurate, the 15-22 is the way to go.

As mentioned, for the best accuracy, get a bolt rifle, like a Savage.

I have the Marlin with a scope as my squirrel rifle and my 15-22 and a RDS for my range toy. I have no need for the 10-22. Good rifles, but they can be a money pit.

most all responses have been right on track. I have spent a lot of time shooting rim fire at the range. Nothing competitive but as a hobby. For a "range or precision arm, the bolt action can not be beat. It will be a much better choice. Shooting precision is not done fast where the benefits of semi auto come in. You will need to take your time and use your developed shooting skills. Otherwise you are just blowing off rounds and the results are not going to mean anything. Precision shooting takes a lot more then the firearm. Skills as well as proper equipment heavily comes into play. Proper benches, shooting rests, quality ammo, and proper shooting techniques go a long way. Shooting 200 yards rimfire "is" precision shooting.

Now if you want to just shoot some rounds at 200 (very far for a 22lr) then most anything will suit. But your results will be much better with a proper bolt action

For an inexpensive choice, the Savages are hard to beat. Better trigger (for target shooting) then most in it's class. Decent enough barrel options. Plenty of quality stocks available, etc. For abour $300 or so you can get a decent Savage with a heavy barrel. Now mind you that scope for this is another story as well as all of the other gear. The reason i am mentioning this is I have been there and done that, just trying to save you time and money.

IMHO neither the .22lr, .22wmg or .17hmr are good for 200+ yards. I have used them all. The .17HMR is a tack driver and easy .5moa is realistic at 100 yards. If you get your .22lr to shoot moa then you are typically doing pretty good at 100 yrds. I am not talking once in a blue moon, but consistent groups.

Brands I like or recommend for a non $1000 plus rimfire:

1. Savage with a heavy barrel and easy trigger mods. All of my Savages have had decent 1 to 1.5 moa in .22lr. I have 2 Savages in .17hmr and both drop the moa in half compared to the .22lr's on average.

2. CZ. For a quality gun in the $500 or so rim fire you will not touch CZ. Their bluing, quality of wood, etc are second to none in this range. Triggers are significantly heavier and can have some creep. But with mods, can be inexpensively modded at home. If you want a beautiful rifle that can shoot good, there is no other choice without going much higher in price.

3. Second hand Anshutz. You can find them sometimes around the price of a new CZ. They will be a bit rough at that price. But performance is incredible. They are made with precision as it's goal. Maybe a little strange looking if used to traditional American hunter bolt action look. But if you want to get serious and hit stuff at long distances or achieve great scores, they are a brand to go with.

I would honestly stay away from 10-22's for precision. yes they can be made accurate. but I have seen so many people add so much to them and not get results that match even a stock Savage. I have seen more people at the ranges that are frustrated shooting modded 10-22's then all others combined. not that they are bad by any means. Just that the performance to dollar is high. They are one of the best over all designed rifles ever. But not in the precision role.

Those are just my suggestions after many years of shooting rimfire with many many rifles and brands as well as 10's of thousands of rounds down range. No offence to anyone and any brand they may shoot. I love all firearms...due to the fact they are what they are. But like vehicles, there are some that are suited for certain things more then others. And occasional you get a unique example. I am not going into that. Just going into good imho overall advice on what will make you satisfied at those long rimfire ranges.

If I was going to suggest a street price less then $500 rim fire for shooting distance, this would be an easy choice for a new rifle.

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/MARKIIBTV

I have spent a lot of time on that rifle and it's ergonomics, accuracy and reliability is incredible for the price. I have used that configuration in .17HMR as well as .22lr extensively. Both excellent. I bedded both of the rifles and modded the triggers myself. Sold when I lost my job due to company going out of business. Wish i still had them. After reading this topic I may have to go pick up one tomorrow, lol.

Well stated, Rook.

Sorry the PC model is only marginally better than the regular model. Still has polymer receivers with steel reinforcement verses a 10/22 with a metal receiver and a polymer trigger group. I prefer the Remington 597 slightly to the 10/22. Both are a little more accurate than a 15-22. See the NRA rag from 2010 article test of .22 ARs. The Sig522 was also slightly more accurate than the 15-22. Except for putting in a better trigger than is about all you can do that will have a real effect on accuracy. For accuracy, a bolt gun like a CZ 452/455 or Kimber, or a Remington 541 will be much better. An upgraded 597 or 10/22 can approach the bolt guns in accuracy but you have to spend $$$ to get them to .5 MOA (I have a 597 that accurate). The 15-22s forte is fun and speed shooting. It is accurate enough to do some hunting and you can always try to make yourself more accurate also. Pick some brand of match ammo like CCI-SV if you want more accuracy also. You should be able to get the 15-22 down to the 1-2 MOA range with the right ammo and good technique.

As you have read the 10/22 can be tuned to shoot well ,from my experience you could buy a out of the box Savage and be very happy or a CZ. Both will serve you well. There is enough style choices to satisfy. Especially with the Savage. (Bolt Action)

100-200 yards. This works wonders.

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Smitty357 said:

100-200 yards. This works wonders.

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Awesome round for a lot of things. And capable to much further then 200. If you were going to be shooting mainly 200-300 yards, this, .223 or 308 would be hard to beat. For cost, availability and performance anyways. For people that live in area's where there is always wind, then I would say heavier rounds like the 308. It is just such a heavily used target round with so much information behind it. but we are getting away from rimfire anyways. There are just so many things to play with hence you will always end up with a plethora of firearms.

American Rifleman did a .22 'black rifle' comparison test. For accuracy, Ruger SR22 (10/22) was number one, followed by Rem597 VTR, Sig522 and the 15-22. At the bottom were HK 416, GSG-522, Colt and Mossberg.

For shooting at 200yds the 15-22 is accurate enough. Set up some soda cans and have some fun rather than agonizing over the size of a group on paper. Or... get a can for your 15-22 and shoot at a 4-6" piece of steel. The satisfaction of the ding puts a big grin on my face. And you'll still have the 15-22 for what it does best... plinking.

As long as folks are talking about bolt action .22s....

For a bolt action on a budget the Savage is tough to beat. I bought a FVSR and put an accessory or two on it. Lot's of fun. The only difference is the size of the piece of steel at 200yds, so who cares anyway?



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Nice looking rifle you got there. They had that model at the shop I stopped at today. Didn't pull the trigger on it though (pun intended). I would be happy with that rifle and have a lot of fun with it. I almost bought it as I have an extra Boyd's thumbhole laminate stock left over. but what comes with the Savage I linked earlier is virtually the same so why pay the extra. I was surprised to see a very limited selection of bolt .22's. Seems everyone is focusing on the tactical semi auto right now so that is what they have. LOL the irony. I started years ago on bolt action .22's, have gone through most every normal platform available. And now that I got the kick to do an AR .22 (bought my 15-22 about 4 months ago) which in turn turned me back on to a bolt action due to this thread.

I need a bigger firearms safe. If all of my friends returned the guns I have loaned them they would not fit as it is. i think I need to go look into larger safes...where does it end. Stopped at Sig Sauer pro shop on way home (I drive by their pro shop and training range daily on the way to and from work...I know it sucks). Picked up some AR parts and some new mags to try. They had one of their in house .50BMG bolt actions for sale at about $9,000 without the $2600 scope that was on it .

If you are looking for a .22 might I suggest a trip over to Rimfire Central....... lots of good people and ideas.

I have a S&W 15-22, a couple of 10/22s , several CZs and some other .22s......

I don't know why you want to shoot a .22lr at 100- 200 yds...... it can be done; but no energy left to hunt and just too far (over 100) for really tight groups.

Like some others I would recommend you take a look at the CZs.... I have 4....... all shoot .2-.4 groups at 50 yds and moa at 100 if I'm doing my job..... you must scope for distance; my FS (Mannlicher) has a 1-4 Leupold for walking in the woods ...... for +100yds you are going to need at least a 12X to 24X

BAM-BAM said:

If you are looking for a .22 might I suggest a trip over to Rimfire Central....... lots of good people and ideas.

I have a S&W 15-22, a couple of 10/22s , several CZs and some other .22s......

I don't know why you want to shoot a .22lr at 100- 200 yds...... it can be done; but no energy left to hunt and just too far (over 100) for really tight groups.

Like some others I would recommend you take a look at the CZs.... I have 4....... all shoot .2-.4 groups at 50 yds and moa at 100 if I'm doing my job..... you must scope for distance my FS (Mannlicher) has a 1-4 Leupold for walking in the woods ...... for +100yds you are going to need at least a 12X to 24X

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You have a man licker...ewww LOL. Awesome rifle. You can get lucky and get those with some incredible wood stocks. Incredibly beautiful. I will add that I tried a CZ 452 lux for open sights. Far and away the best open sight rifle I have ever tried. Balance was so spot on that it felt like you were not holding anything but air. Scopes, etc would ruin the rifle for what it is. but that 452 lux was just simply amazing. One of the best if not the best impressions I have ever had in a rifle. My favorite CZ (owned) was a short barrel 452 American (threaded barrel). Wish i never sold it. I got lucky and had incredible furniture on it (most are great but this one was very detailed and had a lot of character. CZ makes gorgeous firearms for sure. Build quality and looks are second to none to almost any price range. But the Savage's are simply a functional rifle that performance to dollar can't be beat.