DocSunShine
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My old Glock 19 Gen 3 made before Glock QC took a giant dump was limp wrist proof, so are my M&Ps... But maybe my guns are just defective...
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How common is limp-wristing?
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My old Glock 19 Gen 3 made before Glock QC took a giant dump was limp wrist proof, so are my M&Ps... But maybe my guns are just defective...
Rob:
I was stating my opinion that I didn't believe limp wrist was a factor when I owned a Kahr and Beretta Nano. My friend also had failures shooting my weapons and I didn't change my technique when I purchased a Shield in fact I tried to intentionally cause a jam by gripping her like a 2 year old with no luck.
I believe with the Nano after following multiple posts the problem may be 115 grain ammo is too light and/or the design of the extractor.
With my experience with my Nano Federal Champion 115 grain failed 2% Winchester white box and S&B around 1% but 0 failures with 124 grain NATO. (Shot 1,300 total assorted rounds which I believe is a good sample. Nano was sent back for a feed ramp and chamber polish at about 600 round count but failure rates continued at the same rate after polish job.
These ammo results tells me limp wrist was not a factor otherwise the failure rates would have been consistent between brands If I had a limp wrist problem.
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modraker
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This YouTube video is very well made and explains how some brands are more susceptible to limp wristing because of the weight of the frame. Thanks.
DocSunShine
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This is an older video but Tim at Military Arms Channel generally does a good job. That said, I'd love to know what ammo he used with the Glocks vs the other guns. Like I said, I can't buy a limp wrist with my M&Ps or old Glock 19 with decent ammo. These are also samples of 1. I stick by my previous assertion, "limp wristing" is an excuse for a faulty gun by fanboys of whatever platform it may be that is in question.
Autococker07
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This is the key above..... "limp wristing" is a normal and common occurrence that tends to humiliate guys when mentioned.... Yall ever wonder why women tend to progress in the shooting sports at a faster rate than men? Its cause they listen, and we (mea culpa) don't.
I have yet to find ANY semi auto handgun that I cannot make jam with poor/bad technique... some are harder to get to jam than others (Glocks and M&Ps are tough, but can be thwarted). I believe that grip shape/angle plays a big part on your anatomy being able to support certain guns, and of course the micro pistols tend to be easier to get a jam out of than duty sized guns.
We have had quite a few instructors in the thread explain this phenomenon extremely well, and I thank them. This is simply a subject that gets a lot of folks butt hurt in a hurry..... It is not an insult, or slam, just a quick reminder to lock it up and provide the environment for the gun to work in.
Rastoff
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Doc,
I believe you when you say you can't do it. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist and happen for other people. Loke many things in shooting, it is likely ammo and gun dependent.
I believe you when you say you can't do it. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist and happen for other people. Loke many things in shooting, it is likely ammo and gun dependent.
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I have to agree with others that failure to provide proper resistance to the rearward movement of the slide can cause a malfunction. Be it called "limp wristing","improper grip" or something else, the potential for operator error is there. Like you, I feel that it may be a disproportionately used excuse for what is the gun design's fault or a bad choice of ammo.
This is TRUE! I have never experienced "limp wristing" or even seen it, until I took my ccl. There was a woman (NO, I'm not saying ANYTHING against women shooters) who's brand new glock kept jamming on her (with the class watching). The instructor would clear the jam & fire the gun several times WITHOUT any problems, hand the gun back to her, & it would jam on her after the 1st shot. This happened repeatedly time after time. Limp wristing is definitely real. I am NOT saying it only happens to glocks either, but a glock is the only gun I have seen it with
DocSunShine
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Agree, every semi needs SOME resistance but even one handed with a relatively lax grip is sufficient with decent ammo with a properly functioning gun (at least in my experience). Believe me, knowing my handguns will function with such lax grips allows me to sleep well at night. I'm sure some experience true limp wristing, but it's a WAY over used term.
George9
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I have never see weak or Limp wristing in 40+ years with all metal guns that were factory.. I have a couple Colt officers models in .45with factory dual recoil springs. Thinking I could get one to malfunction with a weak loose grip I gave it a try long ago. Nope even when shooting one handed.. I think as guns were made lighter with plastics this has been seen more and more.. Yes i have a M&P .22 and if I hold it as loose as I can it will flip in good shape but still functions. Now the same gun with a shot load and loose grip will produce a malfunction sometimes as does low powered rounds in this gun. Just never had a issue with this before.. If I was having this issue i would remove one coil from the recoil spring. I have met many that had this issue after installing aftermarket recoil springs from an aftermarket source other than the gun maker. After sizing the springs for the gun they still may need to be tuned.. Bla bla bla..George
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Brucenterry
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Rob, I noticed you stated recoil torque for the Shield and Nano. Where can I find the recoil torque for a 9c? Curious as to how it compares to the Shield.
Thanks...Bruce
Thanks...Bruce
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I know this is an extremely old thread. But this question is for you guys who are instructors and have spent decades teaching people to shoot. Do you ever see "limp wrist" issues with 22lr handguns? OR see them as much as you do with 9mm .380 or .40 handguns?
My wife (who never shoots) shot my Buckmark last month and the slide short cycled at least 5-6 times on a 10rd mag. Cup & Saucer. There was no instruction, she was shooting 10 shots and going back in the house likely not to shoot anything again for another year. But it made me wonder if it was dirty. I ran 2 mags through it, same ammo, functioned fine. Definitely possible on a 22.
Let my 9yr old twins shoot my 9mms this weekend. (single shots, single loaded, total supervision, me standing beside them and not loading, removing the safety, cocking until they were up on target and ready). The scrawnier of the two managed to FTE my Beretta 92 about 3 times and my P99 once. He weighs about 55lbs soaking wet though with arms like twigs.
Let my 9yr old twins shoot my 9mms this weekend. (single shots, single loaded, total supervision, me standing beside them and not loading, removing the safety, cocking until they were up on target and ready). The scrawnier of the two managed to FTE my Beretta 92 about 3 times and my P99 once. He weighs about 55lbs soaking wet though with arms like twigs.
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I don't know how "common" it is, but it certainly CAN be an issue. And if it is, it's not related to the gun.
My wife decided to start shooting with me after 40 years of marriage, when she was in her 60's. She did OK with a revolver, but a semi pistol jammed every time. After I explained in detail how to firmly hold the pistol it worked 100% every time.
My Dad was an accomplished pistolero. The last time I took him shooting (at an advanced age with health problems, just before he passed) every time he tried to shoot a semi it jammed. When I tried to fire the same gun it was OK.
My wife decided to start shooting with me after 40 years of marriage, when she was in her 60's. She did OK with a revolver, but a semi pistol jammed every time. After I explained in detail how to firmly hold the pistol it worked 100% every time.
My Dad was an accomplished pistolero. The last time I took him shooting (at an advanced age with health problems, just before he passed) every time he tried to shoot a semi it jammed. When I tried to fire the same gun it was OK.
Bkreutz
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I think "limp wristing" would be more common in San Francisco 
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I think "limp wristing" would be more common in San Francisco
Not an issue with a S&W model 29, just ask Harry.
Seriously though not all humans are built the same and ergonomics can be a real factor for some people.
ShelbyV8
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Having taught firearms in 30 police academy's I have encountered many people who probably had trouble getting toothpaste out of the tube. If they did manage to pull the trigger on a double action revolver they did good to get on paper. I started addressing students during orientation encouraging them to start training with a grip master or squeezing a ball and doing a lot of dry firing if they had their own weapon. After getting students to get in 6 to 8 weeks strength training, I saw much improved results on the range. I am believer that hand and upper body strength training for handgun shooting as important as training for any other sport.
Rastoff
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I have never personally seen it with a .22LR handgun. That doesn't mean it can't happen.
Rpg
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Never seen it in over 40 years shooting 1911's.
I suppose it's possible, but not with a shooter who knows how to shoot.
I suppose it's possible, but not with a shooter who knows how to shoot.
Not Harry, but Rick Grimes for certain.
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