.357 Cast Bullet Hollow Point Expansion?

I can't remember how long it's been - since I loaded a jacketed handgun bullet. Got a few on the shelf, just don't really have an interest in shooting them. Kinda' weird...

I sometimes wonder what percentage of CB shooters, actually DON'T cast their own.

I have been casting on & off for 35yrs. Time usually dictates whether I cast my practice bullets, but anymore, cost of bullets has me casting more. I cast for all my handgun calibers, 9m. Up thru hvy 45colt. I cast for my 45-70 & hopefully my new 6.8 as well. I enjoy it more than reloading anymore.
 
I have been casting on & off for 35yrs. Time usually dictates whether I cast my practice bullets, but anymore, cost of bullets has me casting more. I cast for all my handgun calibers, 9m. Up thru hvy 45colt. I cast for my 45-70 & hopefully my new 6.8 as well. I enjoy it more than reloading anymore.


Most of my revolvers have never experienced the foul taste of copper.
 
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If you have problems with speed loaders How about regular FN lead bullets? I do not use speed loaders so I don't know.
 
38/357 Expanding Lead bullets

It seems this post is twisting and turning but if expansion is 1st priority I would recommend the bulk pack of Speer 158 LSWC HP. I haven`t used them in a while(long while) but they struck me as being soft enough to expand. As far as profile in speed-loaders I would not think they are any different than Remington,Federal,Winchester factory loads featuring 158 LSWC HPs. If someone has ever done an expansion test on these that would be interesting. John
 
Buffalo Bore 38 Special 158 gr. soft cast LSWCHP-GC +P (#20A) factory for carry. 158 lead/coated what ever and 8.0 HS-6 in a 38 Special case w/mag primer for practice.

Why 38 in 357 ? Cases are shorter and will come out of the cylinder with a hard smack on the ejector rod.
 
Buffalo Bore 38 Special 158 gr. soft cast LSWCHP-GC +P (#20A) factory for carry. 158 lead/coated what ever and 8.0 HS-6 in a 38 Special case w/mag primer for practice.

Why 38 in 357 ? Cases are shorter and will come out of the cylinder with a hard smack on the ejector rod.

Buffalo Bore for carry is an option, but I'd prefer a magnum case - in a magnum revolver. Additionally, it gripes me to spend the better part of a C-Note on 60 loaded rounds.

I'd have already bought 300 - 400 the same 158LSWCHP-GC from Rimrock - but for the lack of SWC "speedloader friendliness". I've got powder, primers, & new Starline magnum brass. Pretty sure I could come up w/ an effective "field" load.
 
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I do not know if there are any commercial casters doing the 358156 hollow pointed. I cast these (pictured before the gas check was put on) out of clip on wheel weights, air cooled. The hollow point only goes half way from the tip to the top crimp groove. I do have a spud that takes the point all the way down to the crimp grooves that would expand/fragment much more violently but would really sacrifice penetration.

Very nice workmanship there. The 358156 is a legendary 357 magnum bullet. You'd think SOMEONE would be casting these commercially, but I've not seen them offered.

MT Bulletworks maybe, but he has shut down the operation due to a back problem...
 
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Buffalo Bore for carry is an option, but I'd prefer a magnum case - in a magnum revolver. Additionally, it gripes me to spend the better part of a C-Note on 60 loaded rounds.

I'd have already bought 300 - 400 the same 158LSWCHP-GC from Rimrock - but for the lack of SWC "speedloader friendliness". I've got powder, primers, & new Starline magnum brass. Pretty sure I could come up w/ an effective "field" load.

Got that right BB is outragous price, They use that same big box for 380 or 357 Mag!

Heck how important are speedloaders.?? It's not competition. How about strip loaders, not as fast but still get to carry your reloads. For "field loads" you need more than 6 you better run.:D or bring a slow companion.
 
If you have problems with speed loaders How about regular FN lead bullets? I do not use speed loaders so I don't know.

I only use them for carry.

Actually starting to think that I should look into cylinder chamfer tooling...
 
The old cramer 25a is an ideal bullet for your specific needs. It was designed as a 158g hp hunting bullet for the 357.



As others have stated, a larger hp for slower bullets and a smaller hp for faster bullets. The same bullet cast with different hp pins.



Another excellent choice for your specs/needs is the 640 series of bullets. It's a 158g hp with a rf & 2 crimp grooves (top groove for 357, bottom groove for 38spl). The penta point is for slower speeds (larger hp/thinner sides) and the round hp is for faster speeds.



Another 640 series hp, a 125g rf hp that does extremely well in the 9mm/38spl/357. Full expansion and excellent weight retention from a 1100fps load.



A basic rule for hp bullets alloy/speeds is the bhn x 1000, hence:

7bhn 700fps
8bhn 800fps
9bhn 900fps
etc.

That will get you in the ball park, from there the hp design can raise or lower the speeds for the alloy being used. The same bullet (245g) cast with different sized/shaped hp's. I can cast those bullets with a 9bhn alloy and by simply matching the hp design with the load speeds I can load an extremely effective hp anywhere from 800fps to 1100fps.



If you can't find anyone to cast you a hp bullet that will work for you. Another option is to contact casters like penn bullets or matt's bullets and pick out a bullet design/style and ask them to cast them for you out of 9bhn/10bhn/11bhn alloy. Then simply buy a foster hp'ing tool and make your own hp's. Because your drilling/cutting your own hp with the foster tool you can taylor the hp to your specific needs.

good luck
 
If you can't find anyone to cast you a hp bullet that will work for you. Another option is to contact casters like penn bullets or matt's bullets and pick out a bullet design/style and ask them to cast them for you out of 9bhn/10bhn/11bhn alloy. Then simply buy a foster hp'ing tool and make your own hp's. Because your drilling/cutting your own hp with the foster tool you can taylor the hp to your specific needs.

good luck

Thanks much for the input. Kinda' like the looks of the 2X groove 640. Who makes the mould?

Wasn't aware that Penn did custom casting. Bob has always been very helpful w/ tech issues, in the past.

I was actually thinking about contacting Matt's, as I saw a .44 spl rated HP on his web site. At least we know he's not stuck on one basic alloy - like some other shops.

Any thoughts on powder for soft alloy HP, medium velocity (1050 - 1100fps), 357 loads?
 
Most powders will get you 1050-1100fps with your 4" bbl. The slower powders like bluedot, herco, power pistol, true blue will get you there in your shorter 2" & 2 1/2" bbl's.

The 640 molds are custom molds made by Mihec, as is the 358156's posted above in pps's post. The 358156 also has 2x crimp grooves. Actually the 503 clones (245g hp's) are from a custom mihec mold and the cramer hunter's are from an extremely rare (late 30's) cramer mold. I've never seen another one or any posts my anyone having 1. A picture of the old cramer hunter bullet mold.



There's too many ways to skin a cat when it comes to hp's for the 38spl/357. Get tired of kicking spent 9mm cases out of the way at the range???? They are easily recyclable, some 150g jacketed hp's made from 9mm (or 380acp) cases for the 38spl/357.



Some 265g hp's made from 40s&w cases for the 44spl/mag.



Some 225g hp's made from 40s&w cases for the 45acp.



Why show pictures of such bullets???? Because it's the reloads imagination that is the only thing that limits what they use/shoot. Those were made with nothing more than free range brass, free range lead and common reloading dies that anyone can buy.

Those 150g hp's shot @ 50ft into tightly bundled wet newspapers with a 1100fps load. The bullets that had the jacket/core stay intact penetrated deeper than the jackets that shed their cores. Still not bad, don't know if it's true or not but people claim that you get 40% to 50% less penetration in wet paper compared to ballistic's gel.



good luck
 
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