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Best Weapon for Home Defense against Home Invasion?
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I agree that a shotgun is a formidable home defense weapon, but if you are including male, female, all body types, young (adult) and old, the 12 gauge has too powerful of recoil to be confidently handled by everyone. Instead, I suggest the .410 shotgun. Able to stop any threat in a home, but light enough of a weapon as well as a controllable recoil. Make it a far better "One size fits all" gun.
The psychological benefits you have in a 12 gauge pump action shotgun all exist in it's little cousin. The tell-tale racking a round into the chamber sounds the same, and as someone who has heard the blast of a .410 indoors is enough to dissuade even a half-wit that his choice of criminal activities needs reevaluated.
The psychological benefits you have in a 12 gauge pump action shotgun all exist in it's little cousin. The tell-tale racking a round into the chamber sounds the same, and as someone who has heard the blast of a .410 indoors is enough to dissuade even a half-wit that his choice of criminal activities needs reevaluated.
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I have handguns, a rifle, and a shotgun. My preference would be the AR due to the high round count, but realistically I would probably grab my G19 since it sits nearby on my nightstand.
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JMichaelTX
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Thanks again to all that contributed.
My sincere thanks to all of you that took the time to give a thoughtful response to my question: Best Weapon for Home Defense against Home Invasion?. It is much appreciated, and I have learned a lot from your posts.
When I first decided that I needed to do something to protect against a home invasion, my greatest fear, and my expectation, was that a crazed intruder would break into my house in the middle of the night while I was asleep in my bedroom.
Let me first stipulate that there are number of things a home owner can do, and should do, to prevent a home invasion.
The following discussion is concerned with what happens if the intruder decides to continue his attack in spite of these measures.
It seems that reliable home invasion statistics are hard to come by (if you know of a good source, please post), and clearly vary state-to-state, community-to-community. So I don't have any hard statistics, but after considerable research it seems to me that most home invasions occur at time other than my initial concern. It seems that I am more likely to be confronted with a home invasion when I am not in my bedroom asleep, but at times when I am likely to be outside of my bedroom.
I have learned that the right shotgun, recommended by many, is a great defensive weapon IF, and ONLY IF, you have immediate access to it when the invasion occurs, OR, you can stop/repel the intruder long enough to get to the shotgun. I am an independent consultant, and work mostly out of my home. So during my waking hours, I am either in my study/office, or in the family/TV/home theater room. Of course, some time in the kitchen, bathroom, and (my favorite) out back on the deck (hopefully grilling a steak). IOW, NOT in my bedroom (where I'm most likely to keep a shotgun).
IMO, like any defense, you need to have layers of defense against home invasion.
The most important of which is to survive the initial attack (otherwise it doesn't matter).
So, it seems to me, and others {1}, that the best line of initial defense is the weapon you have with you or on you. This logic quickly leads to always carrying a gun in your own home, which probably means a LCP. Regardless of the caliber and magazine size, the primary purpose is to either convince the intruder to flee; or to slow the intruder down; or to stop the intruder (head shot). IOW, give you time, if needed, to get to more superior firepower, like a shotgun.
The responses in Ref#2 seem to indicate that a very high percentage of people who carry, also carry in their home, or at least have a pistol in close proximity in all areas of the house.
No doubt there is no one "best" weapon against home invasion.
As @Rastoff stated,
I totally agree with this. Still, we must select the weapons that work best for each of us, and then train with them. Given that, there are some pistols and some shotguns that probably work better for home defense. This can vary somewhat person to person.
This is definitely a work in progress.
Thanks again to all that contributed.
{1} REFERENCES:
1. Best Weapon For Home Defense
2. do you carry at home?
My sincere thanks to all of you that took the time to give a thoughtful response to my question: Best Weapon for Home Defense against Home Invasion?. It is much appreciated, and I have learned a lot from your posts.
When I first decided that I needed to do something to protect against a home invasion, my greatest fear, and my expectation, was that a crazed intruder would break into my house in the middle of the night while I was asleep in my bedroom.
Let me first stipulate that there are number of things a home owner can do, and should do, to prevent a home invasion.
The following discussion is concerned with what happens if the intruder decides to continue his attack in spite of these measures.
It seems that reliable home invasion statistics are hard to come by (if you know of a good source, please post), and clearly vary state-to-state, community-to-community. So I don't have any hard statistics, but after considerable research it seems to me that most home invasions occur at time other than my initial concern. It seems that I am more likely to be confronted with a home invasion when I am not in my bedroom asleep, but at times when I am likely to be outside of my bedroom.
I have learned that the right shotgun, recommended by many, is a great defensive weapon IF, and ONLY IF, you have immediate access to it when the invasion occurs, OR, you can stop/repel the intruder long enough to get to the shotgun. I am an independent consultant, and work mostly out of my home. So during my waking hours, I am either in my study/office, or in the family/TV/home theater room. Of course, some time in the kitchen, bathroom, and (my favorite) out back on the deck (hopefully grilling a steak). IOW, NOT in my bedroom (where I'm most likely to keep a shotgun).
IMO, like any defense, you need to have layers of defense against home invasion.
The most important of which is to survive the initial attack (otherwise it doesn't matter).
So, it seems to me, and others {1}, that the best line of initial defense is the weapon you have with you or on you. This logic quickly leads to always carrying a gun in your own home, which probably means a LCP. Regardless of the caliber and magazine size, the primary purpose is to either convince the intruder to flee; or to slow the intruder down; or to stop the intruder (head shot). IOW, give you time, if needed, to get to more superior firepower, like a shotgun.
The responses in Ref#2 seem to indicate that a very high percentage of people who carry, also carry in their home, or at least have a pistol in close proximity in all areas of the house.
No doubt there is no one "best" weapon against home invasion.
As @Rastoff stated,
I totally agree with this. Still, we must select the weapons that work best for each of us, and then train with them. Given that, there are some pistols and some shotguns that probably work better for home defense. This can vary somewhat person to person.
This is definitely a work in progress.
Thanks again to all that contributed.
{1} REFERENCES:
1. Best Weapon For Home Defense
2. do you carry at home?
RSanchIII is apparently a former or perhaps presently still a law enforcement officer. I give LEOs the benefit of the doubt in most things and when he says that home invasions are not quick I'll concede to his experience. However, the following is just hot air and meaningless, especially coming from a police officer - I'm not picking on you directly, RSanch, this is not personal, but you fired off the cuff and this specific comment has no substance:
My next door neighbor's home was built precisely one year ago. They paid $500,000 for their home. There is a house across the street rumored to have sold for a similar price. Three or four doors down from that one is another home, an older home with less modernization, that I KNOW sold for $360,000. So let's at least agree that I live in a reasonable neighborhood. Before I lived here I lived in another neighborhood where the least expensive home today is between 200 to 300 thousand dollars and the median price is probably $350,000. New construction there will most assuredly be 600,000 bucks. So let's call that a reasonable neighborhood, too.
Living in a reasonably safe neighborhood has NEVER stopped me from carrying a gun around the house, being armed to take out the trash, being armed to trim bushes, whatever. Never mind having weapons in various places for easy access. Further, I have two dogs, dead bolts, and door wedges, so I'm already there in my tidy, reasonably safe neighborhood. Why? Maybe I'm paranoid. I'll accept that. Or maybe I know when seconds count the police are just minutes away. I'll accept that, too.
Because:
Criminals know that reasonably safe neighborhoods are where there is valuable property to steal.
Home invasions are not overly common in this city but when they happen they don't just happen in crack houses. They happen when criminals cruise the neighborhoods looking for targets of opportunity and law enforcement officers know this. People with 60 inch TVs who leave the box outside after they install the thing and then leave their curtains open whilst they watch TV or otherwise go about their business, allowing anyone to see the electronics, the expensive paintings, the clocks, whatever, these are the people who are targets for home invasions. People who are older, look weak, look wealthy, these are the targets for home invasions.
So, no, nobody needs to move to a better neighborhood (on another thread someone took great umbrage at this suggestion and it was a correct response because he literally could NOT move to a better neighborhood - but I'm already IN a better neighborhood so, no, moving is ridiculous to suggest). Preparation is the key to a sound defense. If you want to come home and lock your gun in a drawer and be unarmed all night that's your call but if you can afford to own a houseful of guns* then placing a few in strategic places is good common sense.
*The newbie to guns has only one. Maybe he gets two. maybe never gets more than two. The gun enthusiast starts with one, quickly moves to two, and it grows from there. I'm an older guy now and I've been doing the gun enthusiast thing for decades. With all of the guns that i have acquired I'd be a fool to simply lock them all away and not be prepared for every eventuality. Thus, I am prepared, even in my reasonably safe neighborhood, locked doors, and dogs. YMMV.
My next door neighbor's home was built precisely one year ago. They paid $500,000 for their home. There is a house across the street rumored to have sold for a similar price. Three or four doors down from that one is another home, an older home with less modernization, that I KNOW sold for $360,000. So let's at least agree that I live in a reasonable neighborhood. Before I lived here I lived in another neighborhood where the least expensive home today is between 200 to 300 thousand dollars and the median price is probably $350,000. New construction there will most assuredly be 600,000 bucks. So let's call that a reasonable neighborhood, too.
Living in a reasonably safe neighborhood has NEVER stopped me from carrying a gun around the house, being armed to take out the trash, being armed to trim bushes, whatever. Never mind having weapons in various places for easy access. Further, I have two dogs, dead bolts, and door wedges, so I'm already there in my tidy, reasonably safe neighborhood. Why? Maybe I'm paranoid. I'll accept that. Or maybe I know when seconds count the police are just minutes away. I'll accept that, too.
Because:
Criminals know that reasonably safe neighborhoods are where there is valuable property to steal.
Home invasions are not overly common in this city but when they happen they don't just happen in crack houses. They happen when criminals cruise the neighborhoods looking for targets of opportunity and law enforcement officers know this. People with 60 inch TVs who leave the box outside after they install the thing and then leave their curtains open whilst they watch TV or otherwise go about their business, allowing anyone to see the electronics, the expensive paintings, the clocks, whatever, these are the people who are targets for home invasions. People who are older, look weak, look wealthy, these are the targets for home invasions.
So, no, nobody needs to move to a better neighborhood (on another thread someone took great umbrage at this suggestion and it was a correct response because he literally could NOT move to a better neighborhood - but I'm already IN a better neighborhood so, no, moving is ridiculous to suggest). Preparation is the key to a sound defense. If you want to come home and lock your gun in a drawer and be unarmed all night that's your call but if you can afford to own a houseful of guns* then placing a few in strategic places is good common sense.
*The newbie to guns has only one. Maybe he gets two. maybe never gets more than two. The gun enthusiast starts with one, quickly moves to two, and it grows from there. I'm an older guy now and I've been doing the gun enthusiast thing for decades. With all of the guns that i have acquired I'd be a fool to simply lock them all away and not be prepared for every eventuality. Thus, I am prepared, even in my reasonably safe neighborhood, locked doors, and dogs. YMMV.
Moving to a better neighborhood reduces your chance for home invasion. Criminals are less likely to commit home invasion or robbery in better neighborhoods.RSanchIII is apparently a former or perhaps presently still a law enforcement officer. I give LEOs the benefit of the doubt in most things and when he says that home invasions are not quick I'll concede to his experience. However, the following is just hot air and meaningless, especially coming from a police officer - I'm not picking on you directly, RSanch, this is not personal, but you fired off the cuff and this specific comment has no substance:
My next door neighbor's home was built precisely one year ago. They paid $500,000 for their home. There is a house across the street rumored to have sold for a similar price. Three or four doors down from that one is another home, an older home with less modernization, that I KNOW sold for $360,000. So let's at least agree that I live in a reasonable neighborhood. Before I lived here I lived in another neighborhood where the least expensive home today is between 200 to 300 thousand dollars and the median price is probably $350,000. New construction there will most assuredly be 600,000 bucks. So let's call that a reasonable neighborhood, too.
Living in a reasonably safe neighborhood has NEVER stopped me from carrying a gun around the house, being armed to take out the trash, being armed to trim bushes, whatever. Never mind having weapons in various places for easy access. Further, I have two dogs, dead bolts, and door wedges, so I'm already there in my tidy, reasonably safe neighborhood. Why? Maybe I'm paranoid. I'll accept that. Or maybe I know when seconds count the police are just minutes away. I'll accept that, too.
Because:
Criminals know that reasonably safe neighborhoods are where there is valuable property to steal.
Home invasions are not overly common in this city but when they happen they don't just happen in crack houses. They happen when criminals cruise the neighborhoods looking for targets of opportunity and law enforcement officers know this. People with 60 inch TVs who leave the box outside after they install the thing and then leave their curtains open whilst they watch TV or otherwise go about their business, allowing anyone to see the electronics, the expensive paintings, the clocks, whatever, these are the people who are targets for home invasions. People who are older, look weak, look wealthy, these are the targets for home invasions.
So, no, nobody needs to move to a better neighborhood (on another thread someone took great umbrage at this suggestion and it was a correct response because he literally could NOT move to a better neighborhood - but I'm already IN a better neighborhood so, no, moving is ridiculous to suggest). Preparation is the key to a sound defense. If you want to come home and lock your gun in a drawer and be unarmed all night that's your call but if you can afford to own a houseful of guns* then placing a few in strategic places is good common sense.
*The newbie to guns has only one. Maybe he gets two. maybe never gets more than two. The gun enthusiast starts with one, quickly moves to two, and it grows from there. I'm an older guy now and I've been doing the gun enthusiast thing for decades. With all of the guns that i have acquired I'd be a fool to simply lock them all away and not be prepared for every eventuality. Thus, I am prepared, even in my reasonably safe neighborhood, locked doors, and dogs. YMMV.
These are facts that people twist by saying that criminals target these people. Sure they do, not as much as those in worse neighborhoods.
Personally I also think it extremely paranoid to hide guns around the house, but you can if you want. I really doubt one will be flying towards a gun as the door is kicked in, but imaginations can take you anywhere. Store your guns everywhere, I wont stop you, its America you have that right.
Dvan34
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Best Gun for Home Defense?
I don't have one but the Judge 410Ga. pistol seems like a good bet. I believe it also can take a .45 ACP. With this you have something that can be carried, concealed and available. It isn't likely to penetrate a wall or go through a person. I have seen the the 410 shells available in Walmart (CA) although the gun is not legal in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia.
I don't have one but the Judge 410Ga. pistol seems like a good bet. I believe it also can take a .45 ACP. With this you have something that can be carried, concealed and available. It isn't likely to penetrate a wall or go through a person. I have seen the the 410 shells available in Walmart (CA) although the gun is not legal in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia.
Sorry gents, but moving to a better neighborhood don't mean squat. It's a false sense of security.
Tell that to the nice folks I have helped after they were victims of a home invasion simply because they lived in a very nice home with a Mercedes and BMW parked in the driveway.
Anyone can be targeted for a variety of reasons. There is no safe haven. Even gated communities have their problems.
BOMBTEC
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CHARTER ARMS .44 SPECIAL LOADED WITH CCI .44 SPECIAL HOLLOW POINTS & WW .44 S&W SPL. HOLLOW POINTS. MIGHT AS WELL GO CHEAP CAUSE EVEN IF YOU SURVIVE THE COPS ARE GOING TO TAKE IT ANYWAY.
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GO BIG OR DON'T GO AT ALL!
Gulfecho
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The Halfs and Have Nots
You cannot equate a crack house environment to middle or upper class. Location does not only apply to resale. It applies to vulnerability.
It is unfortunate that the least wealthy endure this reality everyday. I'm speaking for victims, not bandits.
Send a thought to those less fortunate. Thanksgiving is fast approaching.
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You cannot equate a crack house environment to middle or upper class. Location does not only apply to resale. It applies to vulnerability.
It is unfortunate that the least wealthy endure this reality everyday. I'm speaking for victims, not bandits.
Send a thought to those less fortunate. Thanksgiving is fast approaching.
-870 12 G.
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Arc Angel
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Speed! Speed and split second reaction time are important.
Having immediate access to a loaded gun is important. Jock Yablonski slept with a 12 gauge double right next to his bed; but, for the sake of his wife and daughter's comfort, Jock didn't keep it loaded; and, even when he realized that the threats against his life were very real, he still left the shells in a box next to the shotgun.
The Yablonskis' home got hit hard and fast. Jock didn't have time to load the shotgun; and he, his wife, and daughter - All - died in their beds within only a matter of seconds!
As always, precision shot placement is important. So are the angles and lines of fire - Which should always be thought-out beforehand.
The number of shots contained in one gun is important. Most home invasions begin and end very quickly; but two, five, or even eight shots might, very well, not be enough to quell the threat.
Training and frequent practice are important. Ideally, a home defender should be as fast and accurate when he is stunned and half-asleep as when he's wide awake, and blowing out target centers at the range.
'Marking your target' and being sure of your target's identity is important.
Forethought and experience are important. Being smart enough to require the target to come to you, rather than allowing your curiosity to get the better of you and going to the target is important.
Having the rest of the family know what's expected of them, as well as having other family members understand exactly what to do while, at the same time, staying out of the line of fire is important.
Ideally, you want someone else in the house to know exactly how to back you up; and this means that the other person is the one who uses the tac light, cellphone, and/or issues loud verbal commands.
Your job is to remain hidden, and only be responsible for operating the primary gun. I don't know, 'Why'; but, to far too many people, this is an exceedingly difficult self-defense concept to get across. (It might, very well, have helped the Yablonskis!)
I agree that: 'You are your own best weapon.' So the better trained you are, the better prepared you are, and the more willing you are to CORRECTLY engage an intruder/assailant the safer (or, at least, the more deadly) you're going to be.
Looking back over my life, for more than a decade, I used a ten shot semiautomatic pistol (A long-nosed Model 41 with which I was very good!) complete with two extra magazines to protect our home; but, the one time I actually needed it, I was downstairs; and the pistol was upstairs. (Not very good!)
On only one occasion did I ever keep a long arm underneath the bed. It was a semi-auto 22 LR caliber Browning takedown carbine. I never needed it; but, I was, 'between pistols'; and head shots with that little carbine would have been easy. Which brings up a highly relevant point:
At, 'room-size gunfighting distances' an eight or nine inch circle should be very easy for a competent marksman to (repeatedly) strike. Anyone who can't do this is, in my opinion, not going to be particularly advantaged by using any gun at all; and, if there's one thing no gun should ever be it's a, 'home security pacifier'.
(No, I am NOT generally recommending head shots as viable self-defense targets - I am not! What I am saying is that the ability to consistently and repeatedly put all of your shots into a 9 inch circle at, say, ten or twelve yards should be present and, if not, then it needs to be developed.)
If a homeowner can't use his weapon of choice, and use it well, then it no longer matters what firearm he's using. Some people can gunfight; and some can't. In the absence of any real skill mere possession of a gun isn't going to do a heck of a lot of good. So, once again, along with a gun the personal ability to precisely and repeatedly hit the target remains vitally important! Translation? PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!
If a homeowner is practiced with his weapon-of-choice then I, truly, don't care what gun is used. Nowadays, either my 45 ACP or my 9 x 19mm EDC is always with me. I shoot the heck out of them during the day; my proprioceptive reflexes are completely, 'dialed-in' to my Glocks; and their use is second nature to me.
I was once attacked in my home; the experience changed me for (apparently) the rest of my life. I'm never out of reach of a firearm. If I'm downstairs my EDC is downstairs with me; if I'm upstairs my EDC is there, too. When I take a shower it's under the towel; and when I sleep at night it's underneath my pillow.
Speed, availability, familiarity, and competence. These are the things that make one weapon more desirable than another. You need to be able to fight through the first two or three volleys. In my experience that will require a good twelve to fifteen rounds. After that, any immediate lethal threat should be over.
I used to read a lot of FerFAL's articles. The best home early warning system any home can have is one large dog (the grabber), and one small dog (the yapper). I completely - completely - agree with this recommendation.
Having immediate access to a loaded gun is important. Jock Yablonski slept with a 12 gauge double right next to his bed; but, for the sake of his wife and daughter's comfort, Jock didn't keep it loaded; and, even when he realized that the threats against his life were very real, he still left the shells in a box next to the shotgun.
The Yablonskis' home got hit hard and fast. Jock didn't have time to load the shotgun; and he, his wife, and daughter - All - died in their beds within only a matter of seconds!
As always, precision shot placement is important. So are the angles and lines of fire - Which should always be thought-out beforehand.
The number of shots contained in one gun is important. Most home invasions begin and end very quickly; but two, five, or even eight shots might, very well, not be enough to quell the threat.
Training and frequent practice are important. Ideally, a home defender should be as fast and accurate when he is stunned and half-asleep as when he's wide awake, and blowing out target centers at the range.
'Marking your target' and being sure of your target's identity is important.
Forethought and experience are important. Being smart enough to require the target to come to you, rather than allowing your curiosity to get the better of you and going to the target is important.
Having the rest of the family know what's expected of them, as well as having other family members understand exactly what to do while, at the same time, staying out of the line of fire is important.
Ideally, you want someone else in the house to know exactly how to back you up; and this means that the other person is the one who uses the tac light, cellphone, and/or issues loud verbal commands.
Your job is to remain hidden, and only be responsible for operating the primary gun. I don't know, 'Why'; but, to far too many people, this is an exceedingly difficult self-defense concept to get across. (It might, very well, have helped the Yablonskis!)
I agree that: 'You are your own best weapon.' So the better trained you are, the better prepared you are, and the more willing you are to CORRECTLY engage an intruder/assailant the safer (or, at least, the more deadly) you're going to be.
Looking back over my life, for more than a decade, I used a ten shot semiautomatic pistol (A long-nosed Model 41 with which I was very good!) complete with two extra magazines to protect our home; but, the one time I actually needed it, I was downstairs; and the pistol was upstairs. (Not very good!)
On only one occasion did I ever keep a long arm underneath the bed. It was a semi-auto 22 LR caliber Browning takedown carbine. I never needed it; but, I was, 'between pistols'; and head shots with that little carbine would have been easy. Which brings up a highly relevant point:
At, 'room-size gunfighting distances' an eight or nine inch circle should be very easy for a competent marksman to (repeatedly) strike. Anyone who can't do this is, in my opinion, not going to be particularly advantaged by using any gun at all; and, if there's one thing no gun should ever be it's a, 'home security pacifier'.
(No, I am NOT generally recommending head shots as viable self-defense targets - I am not! What I am saying is that the ability to consistently and repeatedly put all of your shots into a 9 inch circle at, say, ten or twelve yards should be present and, if not, then it needs to be developed.)
If a homeowner can't use his weapon of choice, and use it well, then it no longer matters what firearm he's using. Some people can gunfight; and some can't. In the absence of any real skill mere possession of a gun isn't going to do a heck of a lot of good. So, once again, along with a gun the personal ability to precisely and repeatedly hit the target remains vitally important! Translation? PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!
If a homeowner is practiced with his weapon-of-choice then I, truly, don't care what gun is used. Nowadays, either my 45 ACP or my 9 x 19mm EDC is always with me. I shoot the heck out of them during the day; my proprioceptive reflexes are completely, 'dialed-in' to my Glocks; and their use is second nature to me.
I was once attacked in my home; the experience changed me for (apparently) the rest of my life. I'm never out of reach of a firearm. If I'm downstairs my EDC is downstairs with me; if I'm upstairs my EDC is there, too. When I take a shower it's under the towel; and when I sleep at night it's underneath my pillow.
Speed, availability, familiarity, and competence. These are the things that make one weapon more desirable than another. You need to be able to fight through the first two or three volleys. In my experience that will require a good twelve to fifteen rounds. After that, any immediate lethal threat should be over.
I used to read a lot of FerFAL's articles. The best home early warning system any home can have is one large dog (the grabber), and one small dog (the yapper). I completely - completely - agree with this recommendation.
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I gotta keep 'em somewhere.
Sorry but statistics and facts state otherwise. It is a known fact that neighborhoods with higher income and housing have less crime than their less fortunate counterpart. To deny that is simply stupid.
Hamptons have less crime than section 8 housing areas.
Submachine gun
The best weapon for defense against home invasion is the sub machine gun. Our fine governments have decided that we shouldn't have the best weapon for defense against home invasion.
Thanks to The Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 (sic), subguns are priced out of the average homeowner's reach. There is nothing in the design of subguns that makes them any more expensive to make that other guns, but government action has screwed up the marketplace (again), making them prohibitively expensive.
Considering the design of the Sten and the M3, I wouldn't be surprised if it were CHEAPER to make them than semi-autos. A tube in a tube, with a barrel and a bolt with fixed firing pin, a spring, and a trigger that holds the bolt back (for guns firing from an open bolt). Magazines are the only part requiring good quality.
The best weapon for defense against home invasion is the sub machine gun. Our fine governments have decided that we shouldn't have the best weapon for defense against home invasion.
Thanks to The Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 (sic), subguns are priced out of the average homeowner's reach. There is nothing in the design of subguns that makes them any more expensive to make that other guns, but government action has screwed up the marketplace (again), making them prohibitively expensive.
Considering the design of the Sten and the M3, I wouldn't be surprised if it were CHEAPER to make them than semi-autos. A tube in a tube, with a barrel and a bolt with fixed firing pin, a spring, and a trigger that holds the bolt back (for guns firing from an open bolt). Magazines are the only part requiring good quality.
My experience and the stats I have read say different.
People know where the money is. And it sure ain't in the projects or slums.
We are talking two different things here you and I because the types of crime in each area can be and usually are different.
I'm seeing a lot of comments referencing statistics on this thread without any links to the source. If someone is making statements regarding various stats, show where you acquired the information.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013
In regards to the issue of getting to the gun... Denver residents rarely use guns for protection in home invasions - The Denver Post
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http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013
In regards to the issue of getting to the gun... Denver residents rarely use guns for protection in home invasions - The Denver Post
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To my mind much depends on where you live, e.g., apartment, neighborhood with minimum setback between homes, or on a ranch, as much as it does with one's ability to use their chosen weapon. Many things should be taken into consideration...
Dogs, alarms, cameras are all good deterrents to home invasion and burglary as well. Reinforce door jambs to make kicking in the door much more difficult. Steel doors rather than wood or fiberglass. Bars or security film on windows.
I keep a high cap 9mm near to hand if not on me at home. A 12guage pump is in the closet ready to go. There's nothing wrong with being prepared . . .
However, the only person I personally know who was a victim of a home invasion is a co worker. He was sitting home watching television one evening when he heard knocking on his door, and a voice outside, "Hey, we're here. Let us in." He says he thought it was his brother and some buds who sometimes come by and bring beer. So he opened the door to have a handgun shoved into his face while another guy pushed him to the ground. The invaders (four men) had the wrong house - the one they wanted was two streets over. They demanded that he return their drugs or pay him. Told him they were going to kill him while holding the gun to his temple. Then just left. Evidently they had realized they had the wrong guy.
Virtually every home invasion around here is drug related. Even this one is drug related even though they had the wrong house. Don't get involved in drugs and you reduce your chances of a home invasion to near zero. But near zero is not zero. Thus the hand gun next to me as I type this.
Be ready, but remember that the likelihood of a home invasion happening to the average person (thank God) is very low.
I keep a high cap 9mm near to hand if not on me at home. A 12guage pump is in the closet ready to go. There's nothing wrong with being prepared . . .
However, the only person I personally know who was a victim of a home invasion is a co worker. He was sitting home watching television one evening when he heard knocking on his door, and a voice outside, "Hey, we're here. Let us in." He says he thought it was his brother and some buds who sometimes come by and bring beer. So he opened the door to have a handgun shoved into his face while another guy pushed him to the ground. The invaders (four men) had the wrong house - the one they wanted was two streets over. They demanded that he return their drugs or pay him. Told him they were going to kill him while holding the gun to his temple. Then just left. Evidently they had realized they had the wrong guy.
Virtually every home invasion around here is drug related. Even this one is drug related even though they had the wrong house. Don't get involved in drugs and you reduce your chances of a home invasion to near zero. But near zero is not zero. Thus the hand gun next to me as I type this.
Be ready, but remember that the likelihood of a home invasion happening to the average person (thank God) is very low.
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