Sig P365. Shield Killer

Yes, production is halted so they can iron out some things. My hunch is that one production line the machining/tooling was off and is causing the wear issues. Sounds like they want to adjust something with the slide release as well. At least that is what Phil Strader eluded to.

My pre order will stand and I am happy to wait while they figure it out. No one else is making a gun like this and its perfect for my needs.
 
I was at my LGS today and the counter person said "You gotta see this" and retrieved the Sig P365. Although it was compact, I felt the grip was to short for my liking. IMHO: I like the 10 round capacity, but if Sig made the grip a half inch longer, it would feel better in the hand and offer another round or 2. The trigger didn't feel any better than the Shield, Walther of SA's that I fondled, but it came with factory night sights. For me, I'll stick with my Shields.
 
Given Sig's quality issues that last few years...I'll have to wait and see what becomes of this. I haven't handled one, but I believe it's got a "not so great" trigger (for safety and drop test reasons). I also need to see those mags works reliably for a few years, throgh many reloadings. I cant imagine what that spring is, or how it will hold up when it allows 10 rounds into such a small mag. They could be the best mags ever built...but who knows. Time will tell. For now, I'll keep my G43 and will have to make due with a mere 7 rounds ;)
 
Whatever, that gun makes Glocks look good.

Well, they are good.
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Notice what happens @23:42, yet he doesn't even mention it.

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The P365 will probably do well. It will push other companies to look at their magazine designs for opportunities. However "killing" the Shield isn't going to be easy. It's one of few guns that rivals the Glock 19 at being ubiquitous. There's been over a million built. Most everyone in the business builds a holster for them. Shield 9 magazines can be had for under $20 each. And the Shields are fully de-bugged.

Sig has a recent history of stumbling with new products. The P250 had issues early on. So did the original P290. The P938 had many issues with the extractor, guide rod, and mainspring housing failures. And then there's the P320.

The P365 may succeed and I may buy one. Someday. But I'm not rushing.
 
SIG was once known for quality. Today, unfortunately, the company is better known for problems.

The New Jersey State Police is suing them for $2.5 million, claiming they put troopers' lives in danger because they allegedly couldn't get 3,000 P229s to quit jamming (FTE) after 16 months of trying.

SIG is also being sued for $6.2 million by an officer from the Stamford, Connecticut Police Department Special Response Team over an incident he claims was the result of a defect in their P320 handgun. In the suit, the officer alleges that he dropped the pistol – still in its holster – while he was loading equipment into the back of his vehicle, which caused it to discharge a bullet into his leg.

The SIG P320 pistol has recently come under scrutiny for a defect in the design which allows the trigger to move to the rear under inertia, releasing the sear and causing an accidental discharge. This defect was first identified by the Dallas Police Department, who recalled their P320 handguns until they were repaired by SIG Sauer.

SIG elected not to recall, but to voluntarily upgrade tens of thousands of the P320s sold due to the discharge issue. It is still in the process of doing so.

A report from the Director of Operational Test and Evaluation (DOT&E) has revealed that the US Army’s new service pistol, (the P320) deemed the XM17/XM18 Modular Handgun System, has suffered from a number of failures during testing. The DOT&E has suggested the following:

1. Upon identification of the root cause of the double ejections and ball ammunition reliability problems, confirm fixes to both the XM17 and XM18 in future testing.

2. Work with the vendor to identify and eliminate cause of variability in the manufacture of the trigger group mechanism.

3. Consider redesign of the slide catch lever or operator training changes to prevent engagement by operators while shooting the pistol.”

Finally, Phil Strader of SIG has announced they have temporarily halted production of the new P365 until they can identify and remedy potential issues of the pistols failure to return to battery.

I've been a big SIG fan for 26 years, ever since I purchased a West German manufactured P220 in March of 1992. I'm more than a little disillusioned now.

I sent my P320 Subcompact back for modification, and I'll be sending it down the road upon its return.

All firearms manufacturers have problems from time to time, but SIG seems to be suffering from lack of proper testing and lack of quality control.
 
Watched the Hickok45 review of the P365. Even without the reliability issues, I don't think this gun is for me because of the small grip. I have slim hands with long fingers, and when the grip gets too small I find I cannot draw consistently. This was my experience with a Star Firestar. I don't have this issue with the LC9s "larger than the Sig front to back) or a Kahr CW9 (slightly more filling all round).
 
I will always keep my W. German 220/226/229 and my Kahr Pm909 as my EDC. I have carried it for years and passed my PDs qual course every year. Same qual as my duty 229
I live a mile from Sig and worked there 98/01 and what they are putting out these days is up for debate.
 
From Phil Strader

We’re pleased to announce that the P365 has resumed shipping. Thanks to great customer feedback, we were able to make helpful tweaks to the platform. This includes shipping all new P365s with our X-Ray 3[emoji769] day/night sights. Owners who are experiencing any issues with their original P365 SIGLITE[emoji768] sights can contact customer service to have X-Ray 3s shipped to them at no charge. We have also made minor spring adjustments to address isolated incidents of failure to battery (FTB) which are directly related to the off-center/light primer strikes. While we believe some of the FTBs could be the result of varying grip issues, everyone will benefit from this adjustment. Finally, in order to curb the potential of barrel or slide wear in pistols with a tighter tolerance stack, we have made two relief cuts to the barrel. Though this wear is only cosmetic and has been determined by tireless R&D efforts to confirm that it has no relationship with some of the issues experienced, these cuts will minimize most show of wear. SIG SAUER appreciates the excitement around this game-changing pistol, and we look forward to your continued support and helpful feedback.

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From Phil Strader

..... We have also made minor spring adjustments to address isolated incidents of failure to battery (FTB) which are directly related to the off-center/light primer strikes. While we believe some of the FTBs could be the result of varying grip issues, everyone will benefit from this adjustment.

That's interesting. I wonder if this type of issue is not noticed during development because the guns are mounted on test rigs.
 
That's interesting. I wonder if this type of issue is not noticed during development because the guns are mounted on test rigs.



My theory is that in testing and development they were dealing with a much smaller sample size. Probably a dozen or so.
Then when you release thousands to the public, the flaws quickly surface.
 
I honestly do hope all issues are dealt with on the 365.

With all the problem vids and story's on the Sig Forum
I will give it at least 6 to 8 months after re-release for
it to prove itself before I consider one.

If it does prove itself, I think with the size and round count
it will be a game changer, only time will tell...I'm in no hurry.
 
I only now have a Sig P-6 which was made in 1980 and was an East German Police weapon behind the Berlin wall.
Single stack with 4 mags. When I carry, I always carry an extra magazine for it.
Anything double stack is just TOO heavy for my pants clip holster.
My daily carry is either a S&W mod 60 357 or a Kel_Tec P-11.
One KT is 9mm and the other is a 40SW, both with their stainless steel pants clip.PS,,, the discontiued 40 sw model is NOT for women to shoot.
Invisible whether I'm wearing warm ups in the Winter or swim trunks in the Summer.
Rarely do I wear slacks with my GI web belt and buckle.
 
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