CCW at the skating rink

Agreed, not a high risk event. But neither is going to church or a movie theater... I still stick to my rule. Carry always (within the law).

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You Sir, are right, right there.
Criminals and evil doers don't care what time of day it is.

As men, and protectors of our family, it is wise to be prepared,
able and willing to defend them at every turn.

You made the wise decision to be prepared.


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Make a choice: do you want to skate, or do you want to have a gun? You can be as good a skater as you want, you're rolling around with a bunch of morons who aren't.

Both options are fine. It's okay to not do a thing because you want to carry. That's called being responsible. It's also okay to not carry because you want to do a thing. That's called being practical. It's not like your gun guarantees your safety anyway. It's not even the most important tool in the box.

Leaving the gun in the car is, in my opinion, the worst of all possible solutions. Aside from the risk of car theft, you're unnecessarily handling the gun. Holstering/reholstering in the driver's seat is more or less asking for it. I think the risk of falling on the gun and injuring yourself, or dropping the gun on the rink, is far less than the risk created by unnecessary administrative gun handling inside a vehicle.

And, politely, while the Cloak Tuck 3.0 is a pretty decent holster for the money, it is about the last thing on Earth I'd want to attempt that maneuver with. I know, I own one. As it's a hybrid IWB, there's very little feedback when holstering. Cloak Tuck + car = a recipe for trigger guard intrusion.
 
If I were still physically able to skate, I would be OK with CC while skating.
I'd use a VERY secure holster WITH a retaining strap, and one that would put a sufficient barrier between me and the gun to insure that if I should fall on the gun it wouldn't hurt ME either. An IWB with the large panel on the body side, dual belt clips, and a retention strap would be my ideal choice.

I also agree with the "carry all of the time and everywhere it is legal" philosophy. I consistently carry - even at home. It is unfortunate that the criminal element never takes a day off, and the one time you need your CCW may come up you least expect it. Be Prepared as the Boy Scouts say.
 
I will laugh out loud at any assertion that someone may not see a skating rink as a "high risk area." If someone has such future prediction skills, a concealed handgun is certainly not needed, just avoid every threat and every high risk area.

In other words, it's nonsense to change carry practice due to perceived theat level.

Myself, we do the ice skating thing and I choose to leave mine in the car for that. I HATE leaving it in the car, but my skills on skates are average at best. I can skate for two hours and have fun and never fall UNTIL a rogue 12-yr old crashes in to me and then we are all headed to the ice in a heap.
 
Make a choice: do you want to skate, or do you want to have a gun? You can be as good a skater as you want, you're rolling around with a bunch of morons who aren't.

Both options are fine. It's okay to not do a thing because you want to carry. That's called being responsible. It's also okay to not carry because you want to do a thing. That's called being practical. It's not like your gun guarantees your safety anyway. It's not even the most important tool in the box.

Leaving the gun in the car is, in my opinion, the worst of all possible solutions. Aside from the risk of car theft, you're unnecessarily handling the gun. Holstering/reholstering in the driver's seat is more or less asking for it. I think the risk of falling on the gun and injuring yourself, or dropping the gun on the rink, is far less than the risk created by unnecessary administrative gun handling inside a vehicle.

And, politely, while the Cloak Tuck 3.0 is a pretty decent holster for the money, it is about the last thing on Earth I'd want to attempt that maneuver with. I know, I own one. As it's a hybrid IWB, there's very little feedback when holstering. Cloak Tuck + car = a recipe for trigger guard intrusion.
Can you elaborate on why you don't like the 3.0 holster?
What feedback are you referring to when holstering?
Why are you worryed about trigger guard intrusion in a car?
I like the holster. I've never had any concerns about it being unsafe in any way. I have seen a video by the Active self protection guy where he totally bashed hybrid holsters. While I learned quite a bit from his videos, I don't agree with that particular one. I'm very confident with my Alien Gear holster.

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You might want to consider one of the modern, tiny .380 pistols for this kind of thing. Easily pocket carried in a holster and very discrete. I have an LCP for occassions like this, but I don’t skate.
 
Can you elaborate on why you don't like the 3.0 holster?
What feedback are you referring to when holstering?
Why are you worryed about trigger guard intrusion in a car?
I like the holster. I've never had any concerns about it being unsafe in any way. I have seen a video by the Active self protection guy where he totally bashed hybrid holsters. While I learned quite a bit from his videos, I don't agree with that particular one. I'm very confident with my Alien Gear holster.

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I actually do like the Cloak Tuck. It's very comfortable, and easy to move around with. I only stopped wearing it because I committed to 24/7 EDC, and every time I bent down wearing a T-shirt, the shirt would get pinched between the sweatguard and the pistol, causing it to ride up. Anybody that looked would know I had something there, and eventually, the gun would be exposed. Longer t-shirts just delayed the problem.

If it wasn't for that issue, I'd probably still be wearing it.

Now, as to the car and hybrid holsters:

When you go to holster a gun in a hybrid, there's no positive retention. Hybrids aren't unique in this, but as a class, it's a feature they lack. The gun just sort of slides in until it stops. In a holster with positive retention, the gun goes in, there's a bit of resistance, and an audible and tactile "click" as it snaps into place. You know you've reached the end point of the gun's travel in the holster. It can't move any further. And depending on how well-fit the holster is, and what the construction is like, it's going to be real hard to squeeze even a thin t-shirt in between it and the gun, and not notice.

While I really like this feature, I wouldn't call it mandatory by any means. This is because I feel that the best practice with an IWB holster, in all circumstances, is to put the gun in the holster, and then put the two on the belt. So regardless of whether I'm using my current AIWB or the hybrid AG Cloak Tuck, that's how I do it. I just don't particularly care for the idea of fiddling with an unholstered gun in a car, especially around other people.

If you made me try to holster the usual way, though? I much prefer injection-molded plastic and positive retention. The feel is that much better. I can feel whether there's something other than plastic rubbing on the gun, and I definitely know when the gun can't be pushed down any further.

Now, the last little bit is somewhat personal. I've never been able to put on an IWB holster without undoing my belt and pants. Maybe it's just me, but I can't get my gear tight enough to allow for a good draw, while also being loose enough to jam a gun and holster in. So that sort of rules out my chosen best-practice in public.

All that sort of rules out the Cloak Tuck for that sort of duty, when it comes to my personal preferences. It's still a good holster, but I think there are better options if the mission of the day absolutely demands removing and reholstering a gun inside a car. I would also say that it's less unsuitable than some other holsters (hello, G-Code INCOG), and is by no means unique in that regard.

Trust me, when I think a particular piece of gear is a dumpster fire, I just say so.
 
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Went skating at Wollman Rink in NYC. Had my off duty on my hip. fell and landed on the revolver. Experienced a lot of pain. It didn't fall out, nobody got shot, I just experienced a lot of pain.
 
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Went skating at Wollman Rink in NYC. Had my off duty on my hip. fell and landed on the revolver. Experienced a lot of pain. It didn't fall out, nobody got shot, I just experienced a lot of pain.

We had a young & skinny uniformed cop fall onto his holstered revolver many years ago arresting an uncooperative suspect. He gimped around for awhile and was ultimately fine, but that really does hurt. Hope you’re feeling better.
 
I haven't skated in many years so wouldn't carry my normal pistol because of the chance of falling on it .. but would slip my P238 bug in my snap shut shirt pocket in a sticky holster ..
 
I actually do like the Cloak Tuck. It's very comfortable, and easy to move around with. I only stopped wearing it because I committed to 24/7 EDC, and every time I bent down wearing a T-shirt, the shirt would get pinched between the sweatguard and the pistol, causing it to ride up. Anybody that looked would know I had something there, and eventually, the gun would be exposed. Longer t-shirts just delayed the problem.

If it wasn't for that issue, I'd probably still be wearing it.

Now, as to the car and hybrid holsters:

When you go to holster a gun in a hybrid, there's no positive retention. Hybrids aren't unique in this, but as a class, it's a feature they lack. The gun just sort of slides in until it stops. In a holster with positive retention, the gun goes in, there's a bit of resistance, and an audible and tactile "click" as it snaps into place. You know you've reached the end point of the gun's travel in the holster. It can't move any further. And depending on how well-fit the holster is, and what the construction is like, it's going to be real hard to squeeze even a thin t-shirt in between it and the gun, and not notice.

While I really like this feature, I wouldn't call it mandatory by any means. This is because I feel that the best practice with an IWB holster, in all circumstances, is to put the gun in the holster, and then put the two on the belt. So regardless of whether I'm using my current AIWB or the hybrid AG Cloak Tuck, that's how I do it. I just don't particularly care for the idea of fiddling with an unholstered gun in a car, especially around other people.

If you made me try to holster the usual way, though? I much prefer injection-molded plastic and positive retention. The feel is that much better. I can feel whether there's something other than plastic rubbing on the gun, and I definitely know when the gun can't be pushed down any further.

Now, the last little bit is somewhat personal. I've never been able to put on an IWB holster without undoing my belt and pants. Maybe it's just me, but I can't get my gear tight enough to allow for a good draw, while also being loose enough to jam a gun and holster in. So that sort of rules out my chosen best-practice in public.

All that sort of rules out the Cloak Tuck for that sort of duty, when it comes to my personal preferences. It's still a good holster, but I think there are better options if the mission of the day absolutely demands removing and reholstering a gun inside a car. I would also say that it's less unsuitable than some other holsters (hello, G-Code INCOG), and is by no means unique in that regard.

Trust me, when I think a particular piece of gear is a dumpster fire, I just say so.
Ok I see where you're coming from now. I don't have any of those problems. When I holster my gun, I can feel and hear a "thump" when it's fully seated. Not quite a crisp "snap", but there is a distinct feel and sound there. And once it's seated, it's tight in there. I have to pull hard to draw it.
I've never had an article of clothing get caught in the holster. Once everything is in place and my shirt is covering it, nothing ever gets caught anywhere. I admit, I have handled my gun while seated in my car a few times. It's not something I do regularly, but holstering and drawing while seated doesn't seem to present any problems for me.
I, too, can't put on the holster without unzipping and unbuttoning my pants. But, once I put the holster on, it stays on. I holster and draw my gun quite a bit during the day. I holster it when I leave home, draw and store it when I come home. I also practice drawing regularly. And I draw and fire at the range every time I go.
So this particular holster works great for me, but not for you. That's understandable. I have a total of 4 holsters and the Cloak Tuck 3.0 is the only one I use. I'm totally comfortable and confident with it. The other 3 are just there collecting dust. I use them at the range sometimes, but not often.

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