1911 in 9mm question

scoobysnacker · Dec 5, 2018

There's a couple replies referring to "a scaled down version" of the 1911 for 9mms...

I think people who scooped up the various surplus Stars are discovering this. The Star Model B and B Super is "fullsize" but thinner than a 1911, the BM is overall more compact, without being a compact gun. Both seem to feel excellent in the hand, having just a slightly slimmer feel.

I'd like to see a new maker start with the Stars as a base and go from there- they've gotten the scaling down pat.

LVSteve · Dec 5, 2018

scoobysnacker said:
There's a couple replies referring to "a scaled down version" of the 1911 for 9mms...

I think people who scooped up the various surplus Stars are discovering this. The Star Model B and B Super is "fullsize" but thinner than a 1911, the BM is overall more compact, without being a compact gun. Both seem to feel excellent in the hand, having just a slightly slimmer feel.

I'd like to see a new maker start with the Stars as a base and go from there- they've gotten the scaling down pat.

^ This. The fullsize Star in 9mm is a powder puff to shoot. It's probably the gun new shooters should try first. They used to come a lot cheaper than 1911s too.

dr. mordo · Dec 5, 2018

scoobysnacker said:
There's a couple replies referring to "a scaled down version" of the 1911 for 9mms...

I think people who scooped up the various surplus Stars are discovering this. The Star Model B and B Super is "fullsize" but thinner than a 1911, the BM is overall more compact, without being a compact gun. Both seem to feel excellent in the hand, having just a slightly slimmer feel.

I'd like to see a new maker start with the Stars as a base and go from there- they've gotten the scaling down pat.

I agree that the Stars are a heck of a gun for the money.

I'll add that the SIG P238 and P938 have some similarities to the Stars. I haven't compared them side by side, but I suspect SIG took some inspiration from Star.

scoobysnacker · Dec 5, 2018

Farmer17 said:
Doesn't seem right to me, can't really explain it, I just like the full size, full weight, old, GI style 1911 in .45 acp. I have a 9m/m Hi Power and CZ 75 that I love and they just seem more suited to the smaller round, but nothing beats a 1911 trigger. A scaled down, extra thin, 1911 in 9m/m might be appealing to me.

federali said:
I think the 9mm on a Model 1911 frame is still evolving. The turn-off for me is that the existing dimensions of the .45 ACP are usually maintained when the entire gun can be scaled back a bit for the smaller 9mm round. Notice that the slide width on a Browning HP is thinner than on a Model 1911. So, a Model 1911 in 9mm can be made slimmer overall.

dr. mordo said:
I agree that the Stars are a heck of a gun for the money.

I'll add that the SIG P238 and P938 have some similarities to the Stars. I haven't compared them side by side, but I suspect SIG took some inspiration from Star.

I've looked at them side-by-side, since my range has a Sig 938 for sale and I have a BM. They also have a RIA commander-sized gun.

The BM looks about midway between the 2; compared to the Commander, it is slimmer and a bit smaller. The P938 looks a lot more cut-down, but isn't really much slimmer in slide.

I find it somewhat odd that there isn't a BM clone available.

Here are some googled photos for comparison:

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you can't really tell from this angle, but the BM is thinner and shorter slide

in comparison, here's a Star PD (basically a BM in 45) compared to a P938

Sig is much smaller again.

Tom K · Dec 5, 2018

scoobysnacker said:
There's a couple replies referring to "a scaled down version" of the 1911 for 9mms...

I think people who scooped up the various surplus Stars are discovering this. The Star Model B and B Super is "fullsize" but thinner than a 1911, the BM is overall more compact, without being a compact gun. Both seem to feel excellent in the hand, having just a slightly slimmer feel.

I'd like to see a new maker start with the Stars as a base and go from there- they've gotten the scaling down pat.

Then there's the Springfield Armory EMP, which is genuinely a scaled down 1911 frame. Best 1911 Handguns | Top .45 Caliber Guns for Sale

DWalt · Dec 5, 2018

You can easily have a 9mm if you already own a M1911 in .45. Just get a 9mm slide and barrel, a 9mm ejector, a 9mm magazine, and a lighter recoil spring. Add a .38 Super barrel and magazine and you have three calibers on the same frame. I shoot the 9mm better and practice ammo is cheaper than I can reload it for.

Ole Joe Clark · Dec 5, 2018

Has anyone tried the Springfield Armory EMP4 in 9mm? That's the one I want. It's about a 7/8 size of a 1911 and good looking. My CCL pistol is a 9mm Shield and I would not give it up.

But there is an old saying that goes like this: "You're not too old for your wants to hurt you." So I'm gonna have to wait awhile.

Have a blessed day,

Leon

While I was typing someone else posted about the EMP4. Sorry

Macinaw · Dec 5, 2018

I have been shooting my 1911 Pro 9mm in USPSA shooting competition for about a year. My hit factors are improving.

Univibe · Dec 5, 2018

9mm recoils less in compact lightweight 1911s. Also, you get an extra round or two.

RobzGuns · Dec 5, 2018

I've always wanted a 1911, but all my pistols are 9mm (or .38/.357).
When 1911s became reliable in 9mm, I finally got one.
Simple as that.

BB57 · Dec 5, 2018

scoobysnacker said:
There's a couple replies referring to "a scaled down version" of the 1911 for 9mms...

I think people who scooped up the various surplus Stars are discovering this. The Star Model B and B Super is "fullsize" but thinner than a 1911, the BM is overall more compact, without being a compact gun. Both seem to feel excellent in the hand, having just a slightly slimmer feel.

I'd like to see a new maker start with the Stars as a base and go from there- they've gotten the scaling down pat.

Exactly.

I carried a Hi Power for a few years, and I've also carried my Ruger SR1911 in 9mm, but I prefer the Star BM to both. So much that I bought three of them - for about the same price as single 1911 or Hi Power. They are great shooting pistols and it's more comfortable to carry than a Commander sized 1911.

Abflyboy · Dec 5, 2018

ericrlarson said:
I shoot a 9mm in USPSA Single Stack division. I have to shoot minor power factor but I enjoy the extra magazine capacity and softer recoil. 9mm in a good 1911 is awesome. Several years ago my competitors thought I was crazy not shooting a 40 S&W or 45?ACP.

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I also shoot a 9mm 1911 in USPSA SS division, Dan Wesson PM9. I'll take the 2 extra rounds at minor power factor scoring over the major power factor shooters any day. It's really hard to not get all alphas in a stage with this gun so major/minor doesn't matter at that point.

adwjc · Dec 5, 2018

Ole Joe Clark said:
Has anyone tried the Springfield Armory EMP4 in 9mm? That's the one I want. It's about a 7/8 size of a 1911 and good looking. My CCL pistol is a 9mm Shield and I would not give it up.

But there is an old saying that goes like this: "You're not too old for your wants to hurt you." So I'm gonna have to wait awhile.

Have a blessed day,

Leon

While I was typing someone else posted about the EMP4. Sorry

Ole Joe Clark

I recently tried a friend's Springfield EMP4, it was very nice shooting little pistol, it does seem a LOT smaller than a 1911 framed pistol.

Then I started thinking about it, I have a Springfield Loaded in .45acp and a Range Officer in 9mm. There are many things I could do to both of these, being somewhat standard 1911 frame pistols, tons of options as far as parts, grips, caliber conversions, etc. Once you get into the EMPs, there are no such options available.

These, by the way, are range guns, not CCWs.

Kanewpadle · Dec 5, 2018

1911’s in the 9MM caliber have been around for many years. Specially 9x21 and 9x23. For many years there were only a few manufacturers that made a 1911 in 9MM. There are many more now but I believe it’s due to customer demand.

Demand due to the improvement of self defense ammo and low recoil. I’ve owned two 9MM 1911’s and didn’t care for them. But for some reason I love my buddy’s STI 2011.

Empe · Dec 8, 2018

An interesting thread as I have been thinking of purchasing a 1911 for some time. I just haven't decided which caliber yet a 9mm or the traditional .45 . The 9mm round is obviously cheaper to buy and I already have two handguns in that caliber but I would think that reloading the .45 would off set that price difference some.

EMP3 · Dec 9, 2018

I've somewhat moderated my belief that a 1911-A1 chambered for a cartridge other than .45 Auto was blasphemy & punishable my Spanish inquisition ;-)

gregintenn · Dec 9, 2018

EMP3 said:
I've somewhat moderated my belief that a 1911-A1 chambered for a cartridge other than .45 Auto was blasphemy & punishable my Spanish inquisition ;-)

You have to allow the 38 Super just for it's cool factor.

Bakebfr480 · Dec 9, 2018

Isn't there a law against this?

gregintenn · Dec 9, 2018

Bakebfr480 said:
Isn't there a law against this?

There should be. I bought a really pretty Springfield EMP 4" in 9mm. It won't feed or eject reliably. Never had these problems with any 45 1911.

Ole Joe Clark · Dec 9, 2018

gregintenn said:
There should be. I bought a really pretty Springfield EMP 4" in 9mm. It won't feed or eject reliably. Never had these problems with any 45 1911.

Greg, if you want to part with that EMP4 shoot me a pm.

Have a blessed day,

Leon

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