Original "assault" rifle ??

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I always thought the original ASSAULT RIFLES were the ones we used to be able to buy "mail order" and not shoot without parental approval; remember them, the M-1 Carbine and the Garand etc etc etc. Back in the days of the traditional family which included a father who was respected and listened to (or else)... Yeah, I miss those days too.
IMHO of course,
J.
 
I've always thought those 1907s were wicked cool. Especially with the "hi-capacity" magazine. There was one that languished in a LGS when I first got into guns and shooting back in the mid-70s. As I recall proced at $200, and could have been had for less, I'm pretty sure. Wish I'd had sense enough to buy it.
 
Always liked the 1907s. Especially the gangster era extended magazine models offered to police departments.

If there were better (any) ammo availability I wouldn't mind owning one. Even before the Ammo Panic of 2020, you had to either reload or search vintage ammo merchants.

Thanks for sharing yours.

(I would say that the 1907 was the grandfather of the M1 Carbine, but not of Assault Rifles as I don't think it was ever offered with full auto capability. That title goes, imo, to the aforementioned STG-44)
 
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My vote is for the 1894 Winchester in 30-30 . Up till then , most lever guns either fired pistol cartridges or large caliber fairly low velocity big lead slugs that had the trajectory of like throwing a potato long distance . The 30 WCF , aka 30-30 changed all that . Regards Paul
 
Rudi said:
The original "assault rifle" was the German StG44, the selective fire Sturmgewehr in 7.92mm kurz with a 30 rd. mag.
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The Official term "Assault Rifle" includes two things: 1) being Full Auto or Select Fire. 2) in a reduced military RIFLE caliber. (1921 Thompson doesn't qualify. Although a few 1828 prototypes were made in 351 SL, same as the 1907 Win. Never went into production, but is very interesting to think about!)

The Russians came up with one of these first, in the early 1930's. Select Fire and in 6.5 Japanese (compared to 7.62x54, it is reduced.)

In 1942 The Luftwaffe had the StG42 for paratroopers, but it was in 8x57.

I'm not clear on what the Russian gun was (maybe the semi auto SKS) but 7.62x39 is the M-43 Cartridge and inspired the German 8x33 Kurtz round in 1944.

The M-1 Carbine is not a FA or SF weapon, the M-2 Carbine is! (don't let the ignorant media confuse you about AR-15's either!)

Ivan
 
"The World's Assault Rifles and Automatic Carbines" by Musgrave and Nelson credits the Russian Federov Avtomat of 1916 as being the first 'assault rifle'. It was capable of full and semi-auto fire from a 25 round magazine. It used a less powerful cartridge (6.5mm Japanese) than the standard 7.62mm Russian rimmed rifle cartridge and saw service in WWI and later.
 
tndrfttom said:
"The World's Assault Rifles and Automatic Carbines" by Musgrave and Nelson credits the Russian Federov Avtomat of 1916 as being the first 'assault rifle'. It was capable of full and semi-auto fire from a 25 round magazine. It used a less powerful cartridge (6.5mm Japanese) than the standard 7.62mm Russian rimmed rifle cartridge and saw service in WWI and later.
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Sorry my memory missed the date by a few decades! But I knew the Russkies did it, I didn't realize it was Czarist Russians though. Their experience in 1905 gave them a unique appreciation for 6.5x50R round!

Ivan
 
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