If things get bad and things get worse this is my plan. Please comment on my weapons and tell us yours

[T. McIntyre]

One thing that should be considered. In every single After Action review or "hot wash" (post mission) review that covered what went right and what went wrong, when things got interesting, the number one thing that always breaks down is COMMUNICATION,

If all your people do not have the ability to talk to each other from a centralized location, as well as while out in the field, then all the guns in the world really don't matter. Being able to say that there are 3 people in a truck at X or little Johnny is hurt, or people are doing x, and give people that information in real-time is critical.

Second is medical. if all of your people do not have some sort of basic level of trauma training TCCC (tactical combat casualty care) then all the guns in the world won't matter. You don't get into gunfights long and hand out bullets for too long before someone hands some back and you get some of what you have been giving. It completely changes the dynamic when someone you know and care about is bleeding out from a traumatic injury.

Gunfighting isn't really all that fun in reality. It is not like the movies. People don't get hit and the next day they are back up and "all better". Gunfights can be pretty ugly, and quite often it is not just the bad guys that get shot, as they didn't read the script. In fact quite often predators ambush their intended victims so the situation is stacked against them.

You don't get to choose the fight that you find yourself in. You just have to deal with it, no matter how ugly it is. I strongly suggest avoiding them if at all possible. Been there and done that, and it is not at all fun.

 

[ENNE-FRAME]

One thing that should be considered. In every single After Action review or "hot wash" (post mission) review that covered what went right and what went wrong, when things got interesting, the number one thing that always breaks down is COMMUNICATION,

If all your people do not have the ability to talk to each other from a centralized location, as well as while out in the field, then all the guns in the world really don't matter. Being able to say that there are 3 people in a truck at X or little Johnny is hurt, or people are doing x, and give people that information in real-time is critical.

Second is medical. if all of your people do not have some sort of basic level of trauma training TCCC (tactical combat casualty care) then all the guns in the world won't matter. You don't get into gunfights long and hand out bullets for too long before someone hands some back and you get some of what you have been giving. It completely changes the dynamic when someone you know and care about is bleeding out from a traumatic injury.

Gunfighting isn't really all that fun in reality. It is not like the movies. People don't get hit and the next day they are back up and "all better". Gunfights can be pretty ugly, and quite often it is not just the bad guys that get shot, as they didn't read the script. In fact quite often predators ambush their intended victims so the situation is stacked against them.

You don't get to choose the fight that you find yourself in. You just have to deal with it, no matter how ugly it is. I strongly suggest avoiding them if at all possible. Been there and done that, and it is not at all fun.

You're right, I understand what you're saying and I feel like an idiot for having made fun of what for many is a dramatic past that they have to deal with every day.
I have the utmost respect for what you feel and what you say.
I think that in front of such a dramatic testimony it's right to end it here.
Joking as if it were a video game while for some it is a reality experienced not so far in time, makes me feel even more inadequate.

 

[Imissedagain]

The three Bs of being prepared.
Beer, Bourbon and Beef Jerky.

 

[Smoke]

 

[DonB1950]

A n't T hat F unny

 

[jack the toad]

It'll be my first gun in my new bug-out bag...I thought about an extra grip screw, but zip ties were much cheaper, so I got a bag of them at the Dollar Tree.

Good idea. Were they the tactical ones?

 

[The Norseman]

You may consider something to shoot down Drones.
Warfare using Drones appears to be popular overseas
in Ukraine.
Also Night Vision Googles are a must have because
the U.S. owns the Night.

The Best to you and your Endeavors.

 

[BSA1]

My family is made up of:
Males 4:
Me
two sons over thirty
and my daughter's husband
Females 5:
My wife
my daughter
3 grandchildren
my car
Land Rover Defender 110 4x4x + 100 liters of extra fuel

Jokingly, but unfortunately very close to reality, my survival firearms kit is composed as follows, ready in 4 bags
and 9 backpacks

Already prepared shelter in a rough place with thick vegetation source and semi-buried container.

None of the weapons in this list are full auto, they will be taken from the suppressed enemy taking care to take all the same weapons.

9 tactical vests
n. 9 Glock 19x pistols + 40 magazines
n. 4 revolvers 629 4" + 4 boxes of ammunition x 50 rounds
n. 5 revolvers 60 2" + 5 boxes of ammunition x 50 rounds
n. 2 Benelli 121M1 rifles + 2 cartridge belts with 60 buckshot and 20 slug balls
n. 5 Steyr Aug A3 assault rifles + 50 magazines
n. 1 Steyr Aug A3 24" HBAR assault rifle with bipod and Leupold MK4
n. 9 Spyderco Police knives
n. 9 Victorinox multipurpose knife

I believe your weapon collection is not balanced.

First question is all of the members of your family trained to use handguns?

If so I suggest each person chose a handgun they like best and it be assigned for their exclusive use.

My next question is AR-15’s legal in your country? The Internet says they are. If so I would go heavy on adding AR-15’s in .223/5.56.

Here in the U.S. basic AR’s are for sale for $500.00. They are reliable, little recoil, light weight and are easy for women to shoot. Just add your sight of choice

Next up is magazines. Plenty of magazines. My usual Farm and Feed Store has a gun department and has sold 30 Round Magazines on sale for $7.99.

I like to use U.S. surplus ammo cans. I can fit 10 30 round magazines and 300 rounds easily in a 50 caliber ammo. If I wanted to I could pre-load the magazines and along with 300 loose cartridges which is a lot of ammo ready for use. A big plus for surplus ammo cans is they are waterproof, designed to be stacked and are very rugged. I know a person that has them filled with different calibers stacked 6’ high and 8’ long.

So a surplus military ammo can filled with 10 magazines and ammo makes it easy to grab and go combination with a AR.

 

[Bald1]

Marcello,

I didn't know there were survivalists in Italy. Nice to know we're not the only place with a few crazies. Sounds like that Land Rover will need a trailer to haul the firearms and ammo. What's the plan for food and water? Is it a long haul from Rome to some more remote spot that is defendable?

I don't give the issue all that much thought as it seems impossible to predict the complications of any calamity that would cause us to execute our plan. Way too many variables. I'm in a congested area too although perhaps not as congested as Rome. I think the biggest problem is getting out of the area before the roads are clogged and become impassable. But, if I can, I'll take the 300 BLK w/suppressor and thermal and as much ammo for it as I can carry. Probably a 6.5 Creedmoor with scope and thermal, a glock 19 and a S&W M60 3 inch which answers the question on how to equip the women. Hate to leave the collectibles behind. . . . . As to food, my plan is to make it to a ranch in the panhandle about 250 miles away and live off the beef and game until whatever happened passes; a tank of diesel will get me there. Of course if it is an iteration of the Walking Dead we might be there awhile. Once the grid goes down things are going to go south very quickly.

Jeff
SWCA #1457

Based on my experience with land rovers he’ll need the trailer to haul the Land Rover lol

 

[Eric300]

The three Bs of being prepared.
Beer, Bourbon and Beef Jerky.

Four 'B's'......... You forgot 'Bullets!'

 

[ak-47]

My favorite is all the focus on the bug out bag and where to bug out to. I actually did this myself on Sept 11, 2001. Loaded my SUV to the gills with everything to survive and possibly trade. Stopped in the last town to listen to radio reports and make a final decision. Report was cruise missiles coming in at Kabul. I set up in the National Forest not too far from some vacation cabins as I did not have land of my own away from people. Got boring real quick waiting for the next phase. And the weather was good at the time.

If in fact it is really the real SHTF scenario, the bridges to bug out zones will most likely not be useable. Or locals will make them available for locals only if they do leave them intact. They will probably not let a stranger pass without payment or tribute of some kind. At every single bridge. They do not want city folks eating their elk or cattle. I own my in the mountains personal acres now with bug out capability. But why would I leave 99% of my stuff, neighbors, family and friends to go hide in the woods? It snows significantly in the winter. And I probably would not make it there intact anyways if crap is indeed flying off the fan. That land rover gets what, 6 mpg? And EMP effects on modern vehicles must also be considered. In Red Dawn those kids ended up attacking the invader's convoy to take their food. In rural Colorado with wild game and plants available. I am lucky enough to live near a beach where I could dig shellfish at night. Woods and ravines within walking distance to set a few snares. Ducks in the lake. Creek in the back of neighbor's property. But it would not take long for most local natural food sources to be depleted. Eat beans until the bad guys give up or go away- or drink the last bottle and say it was a good run but didn't work out. These are the difficult choices to make versus how many glocks are required to make a go at survival with no electricity. Hunting skills help but someone will hear the shot. And they will be armed and hungry, possibly even desperately so. They might even know some basic tracking. Lots of people will be settling old scores once the lights go out as well.

Interesting to think about what you would have left to return to once order is re-established also. Squatter's rights are a real problem in this country. Good Luck in Italy. And it really does sound like you found what you were hunting for after all!

 

[ENNE-FRAME]

Based on my experience with land rovers he’ll need the trailer to haul the Land Rover lol

after dozens of 4X4 cars and thousands of kilometers of off-road trips on all continents, regional and national off-road championships, I consider the Land Rover Defender in the 3 versions 90, 110 and 130 the best off-road vehicle ever produced in the world. No other brand can compare in terms of off-road mobility and fording capacity. If we then consider the morphology of off-road trails and the very narrow streets of Italian towns, there is absolutely no other car to take into consideration.

 

[Rock185]

Good points ak-47: Bug out to where? I live in a smaller town in rural Central Arizona. Plenty of forests around, but in my dotage, I'm not under the illusion that I could bug out and survive in the wild. Mel Tappan wrote about this stuff years ago. He thought that one should already be in a smaller town, farm, area, etc. where you know people and you are known, etc. You don't want to be the "stranger"..

 

[walnutred]

When people were prepping for Y2K my firearms related purchased consisted of: 1 bag of #6 shot, 5 lbs. of FFG black powder and one case of 22 LR ammo. I figured anything huntable in Ohio I can take with my 24 gauge flintlock trade gun or my 22 LR. Plus the 22 LR ammo would be useful trading material. I'm not saying those were the only firearms I had available, but they would have been my working firearms.

 

[Bald1]

Good points ak-47: Bug out to where? I live in a smaller town in rural Central Arizona. Plenty of forests around, but in my dotage, I'm not under the illusion that I could bug out and survive in the wild. Mel Tappan wrote about this stuff years ago. He thought that one should already be in a smaller town, farm, area, etc. where you know people and you are known, etc. You don't want to be the "stranger"..

I never put much stock in things Mel Tappen and others say. It’s all theory. They’ve never done it. Hard to be an expert on something you’ve never done.

 

[DixieRanger]

Started prepping mindset at 18 and now 77 have a ton of survival gear. A group of guys did an overnite trip to New River in NC in March several years ago. Luged in just what a backpack could hold. Found out bugging out was an eye opener and demoralizing in lotta ways to long to put in post. Try it out for coupla days! Suffice to say i'm gonna take the 'DIP' route...."Die In Place'. Read the book 'One Second After" by William Fortchen. Altho fiction gives a realistic aftermath of an EMP (look it up) attack and aftermath.

 

[DixieRanger]

Just read previous post as to Mel Tappan. He wrote an ongoing monthly column in G&A magazine about survival for long while. To have the necessary stuff you'd need to have a tractor trailer to haul it to your hideout.

 

[Rustyt1953]

 

[Smoke]

I believe so.

Nope you're dead wrong.

Gun kid was a convicted felon who I believe is still in prison. If not he's dead.

Geko 45 was a guy who worked in a gunstore in Indiana with Tamara Keel.

Goodbye Gunkid

Perhaps the most infamous troll of the internet gun world, a true Ferrous Cranus , is being held in jail without bail and faces a complaint...

xavierthoughts.blogspot.com

I did some more research, gun kid was in prison when gecko was doing his thing on Glocktalk and SW

 

[Rustyt1953]

Bug out to where?

All the arteries will be clogged. Roads will be impassable. The urban locusts will have cleaned out grocery stores, restaurants, gun shops, food manufacturers, ranches and farms.

I will be in my basement with my supply of vintage Christmas fruitcakes.