If things get bad and things get worse this is my plan. Please comment on my weapons and tell us yours
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Memory fails, that was so long ago the stories run together in my mind. Somebody needs to step up, the usual BS just isn't funny enough. Joe
My boy used to live in Peyton. Everybody gets their "bearing" from their position relative to Pikes Peak. View from across the street. Joe
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People always talk about bugging out, I always plan on bugging IN. Never become a refuge...
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People, the goobermint can be reading this shiz, don't be self incriminating!!!!!!
Nobody needs to know how you are gonna go mad max in detail. Thats insane to post online!
Nobody needs to know how you are gonna go mad max in detail. Thats insane to post online!
As topics go here, prepping and understanding what is important is as worthwhile a discussion as any other Non-Smith&Wesson related topic.
Prepping for an unpredictable inconvenience, an emergency, or survival of an environmental catastrophic event is an interesting subject. The concept ranges from a laughing joke to simple common sense to a level of intense radical behavior.
While “prepping” via an EDC is the paramount discussion 90% of the time, too many people are not even prepared to survive a small kitchen fire. How many people have a fire extinguisher in the kitchen and one in their bedroom if they need to escape?
How many people have a fully stocked, fresh First-Aid kit at home?
How many have at least a 30-day supply of critical prescription medications?
How many have a 30-day supply of drinking water and food? A 50-gallon hot water heater is enough for 3 people to survive for about 25 days.
Most people I know don’t even have an emergency phone number to call if they need to have someone enter their home other than law enforcement, fire department, or ambulance.
Most people don’t have any plan in the event that suddenly all communications are disabled (no cell phones, no electricity), and the family is not together…. kids in school, dad at work, mom shopping, etc. As T. Mcintyre stated communication is critical and difficult to manage.
How many have a set of GRMS radios or a solar-powered generator and understand how they work?
I believe the #1 Rule for a prepping (according to serious expert preppers?), for longer than a few days is DON’T TELL ANYBODY YOU ARE PREPPING… especially your unvetted neighbors.
In a terrible catastrophic event like a large devastating EMP, it is predicted that 90% of the US population will die within 12 months.
Based on historical evidence, after 3 days without food or water people will become hysterically psychopathic and commit murder if necessary.
Prepping has so many levels and conditions.
If survival escalates to a gun fight it will most likely be a very short and violent ending.
Logically, bugging OUT from my sanctuary would be the absolute last resort to my survival.
That’s just my worthless opinion.
Prepping for an unpredictable inconvenience, an emergency, or survival of an environmental catastrophic event is an interesting subject. The concept ranges from a laughing joke to simple common sense to a level of intense radical behavior.
While “prepping” via an EDC is the paramount discussion 90% of the time, too many people are not even prepared to survive a small kitchen fire. How many people have a fire extinguisher in the kitchen and one in their bedroom if they need to escape?
How many people have a fully stocked, fresh First-Aid kit at home?
How many have at least a 30-day supply of critical prescription medications?
How many have a 30-day supply of drinking water and food? A 50-gallon hot water heater is enough for 3 people to survive for about 25 days.
Most people I know don’t even have an emergency phone number to call if they need to have someone enter their home other than law enforcement, fire department, or ambulance.
Most people don’t have any plan in the event that suddenly all communications are disabled (no cell phones, no electricity), and the family is not together…. kids in school, dad at work, mom shopping, etc. As T. Mcintyre stated communication is critical and difficult to manage.
How many have a set of GRMS radios or a solar-powered generator and understand how they work?
I believe the #1 Rule for a prepping (according to serious expert preppers?), for longer than a few days is DON’T TELL ANYBODY YOU ARE PREPPING… especially your unvetted neighbors.
In a terrible catastrophic event like a large devastating EMP, it is predicted that 90% of the US population will die within 12 months.
Based on historical evidence, after 3 days without food or water people will become hysterically psychopathic and commit murder if necessary.
Prepping has so many levels and conditions.
If survival escalates to a gun fight it will most likely be a very short and violent ending.
Logically, bugging OUT from my sanctuary would be the absolute last resort to my survival.
That’s just my worthless opinion.
A valid one nevertheless. Go for a walk downtown, you could pull out a machete and start hacking folks to pieces. Those with "earpieces" wouldn't have a bit of awareness and everyone else won't look up from their phone. "situational awareness" is the #1 survival weapon. Joe
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Not worthless at all--some of the best sense I've seen here. OP, what, really are you preparing for? What are your most likely scenarios?
To answer one of your questions, it's me, my wife, and a well-trained, medium-sized dog. We're in a suburb of a major metropolitan area but our two adult kids are in different states. She has a 9mm and I have the rifle and a .357 revolver. 9mm is easy to find. .357, not quite as much, but my weapons can share it and use .38 too. Our bags are packed for 8 days and include tent, camping supplies, first aid, water filtration, dog food etc. The only people aware of what we have are the kids and an Army buddy in a rural area.
We discussed it and in our view, the most likely scenarios involve cyberattacks on our physical and financial infrastructure; or, the federal government abandoning all (remaining) pretense of loyalty to the Constitution and directing agents against citizens for various reasons.
In the first case, I agree with those posters above who say your best refuge is the one you know best. We'd wait it out in place without need for electricity or connectivity. (See for example, the recent blackouts on the Iberian peninsula.) Our dog is a capable watchdog and we're set up fine to defend ourselves.
In the second case we'd pack the SUV and get out, either to my buddy's, or to an upstate property near one of the kids. If need be we can hunt, fish, can veggies, etc. We even have a case of premium vodka, which can be used for any number of things.
Note that neither of our most likely situations involves a mad scramble.
So much prepping is just consumerism. "What can I buy to cover any possibilty? I need more knives! A sixth AR!" No. Step back, think coolly about what's most likely, and then address it with minimum fuss and gear. You cannot cover every eventuality.
Another big concern for Staying In Place (Bugging In) in a urban community is protection from fire. The recent California wildfire demonstrated how quickly entire neighborhoods were destroyed and that was with the Fire Departments trying to stop it. In a true collapse of the government there will most likely no fire or not enough fire fighters to keep the fires from spreading.
Since this is a gun forum I am staying in place. I live in the country with few trees and the large yard mowed so fire is not much of a concern. My plan is for my Daughter, her Husband to join us. Kids are too young to handle firearms so it will be the 4 adults. I probably fit the description of being a “Gun Nut” so I enough have firearms for arming a group if I choose to do so. Probably my weakest part of my firearms is not having a 30 caliber long gun for better reach out and touch someone.
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GnarlsR2 makes valid points oft overlooked. Believe if the grid goes down (comms & electric) absolute chaos would run rampant and then death would begin in numbers to many to predict...
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You are ready. I am very impressed.
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None of my girls (and wife) do not like shotguns but they all shoot the AK-47 very well out to 100 yards on a 8 inch steel plate. Also they do well with the Glock 19 Gen 3.
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Jeff, lets not forget Italians survived WWII. A partner of mine, his grandmother was a sniper for the Resistance in WWII. How many people's grandma has multiple confirm kills?
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Remember in Vietnam what happened to villagers who refused to relocate?
Always have a Plan B (unless you are really old or in very poor health).
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Here in California the Fire Departments they have been training the pubic for C.E.R.T. (Community Emergency Response Team) as a force multiplier. A massive disaster occurs, and they need more hands-on deck.
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That you, Hank Jr?
While I was doing my research to find out if Davis was even still alive (I don't think he is) I found multiple posts speculating that Gunkid and Gecko were the same person so you are not the Lone Ranger in making that mistake.
This is going to be kind of a long post.
Before I say anything else as another poster mentioned the first rule of prepping is not to tell people you're prepping.
Second, I'm not LDS but a long time ago I worked with five or six guys who were and I learned a very valuable lesson from them.
I've mentioned this before, while I was working with the guys they talked about their faith to me I don't know that I would say that they were trying to evangelize me but they were talking about what it meant to be LDS.
One of the things that they mentioned was the LDS practice of keeping a two-year supply of food on hand for Hard Times.
The leader of the group told me a story about a friend of his who was out of work and who came to him to borrow money to buy groceries.
The leader asked his friend "What about your two year supply?" The friend replied "I can't touch that that's for Hard Times."
The leader replied "What do you think these are?"
I was maybe 19 years old when he told me that story I'm 59 years old now and that lesson has stuck with me for my entire life.
I'm trying very hard to stay away from religion. This is just background information and it speaks to my mindset. My wife and I both believe that we're living in the end times.
Whether or not we're right that affects how we view the world. As briefly as I can possibly say it we believe that the world is going to go through some "Hard Times". So whatever preparations we're making we're making bearing that mind.
I'm pretty sure I posted this before. During the grocery panic I told my wife to take note of the things that were difficult for us to get and if it ever eased up to stock up on those things. That is essentially what she did and continues to do.
Before I say anything else as another poster mentioned the first rule of prepping is not to tell people you're prepping.
Second, I'm not LDS but a long time ago I worked with five or six guys who were and I learned a very valuable lesson from them.
I've mentioned this before, while I was working with the guys they talked about their faith to me I don't know that I would say that they were trying to evangelize me but they were talking about what it meant to be LDS.
One of the things that they mentioned was the LDS practice of keeping a two-year supply of food on hand for Hard Times.
The leader of the group told me a story about a friend of his who was out of work and who came to him to borrow money to buy groceries.
The leader asked his friend "What about your two year supply?" The friend replied "I can't touch that that's for Hard Times."
The leader replied "What do you think these are?"
I was maybe 19 years old when he told me that story I'm 59 years old now and that lesson has stuck with me for my entire life.
I'm trying very hard to stay away from religion. This is just background information and it speaks to my mindset. My wife and I both believe that we're living in the end times.
Whether or not we're right that affects how we view the world. As briefly as I can possibly say it we believe that the world is going to go through some "Hard Times". So whatever preparations we're making we're making bearing that mind.
I'm pretty sure I posted this before. During the grocery panic I told my wife to take note of the things that were difficult for us to get and if it ever eased up to stock up on those things. That is essentially what she did and continues to do.
The statistics on death are very easy to predict. They haven't changed since the beginning of time. 10 out of 10 people die.
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