NRA, GOA, AGs sue the ATF today over the braces!

bwade · Feb 9, 2023

Here is the NRA portion:

FOX NEWS: NRA, 25 states sue Biden ATF to stop 'arbitrary' and 'unlawful' pistol brace rule
National Rifle Association says new ATF rule on pistol arm braces is 'arbitrary' and an 'abuse of power’

Fox News // Chris Pandolfo // February 9, 2023 3:40pm EST

FIRST ON FOX: America's largest and longest-standing gun rights group is suing the Biden administration to stop new federal regulations on pistols with stabilizing braces, gun accessories that President Biden has called "especially dangerous" after they were used in two mass shootings.

The National Rifle Association (NRA) is challenging a move by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to regulate guns equipped with stabilizing braces, also called pistol arm braces, like short-barreled rifles, which require a federal license to own under the National Firearms Act (NFA). In a federal lawsuit being filed in North Dakota Thursday, the NRA argues that ATF's new rule is "arbitrary" and vague to the point of being an "abuse of power."

NRA, 25 states sue Biden ATF to stop '''arbitrary''' and '''unlawful''' pistol brace rule | Fox News

somorris · Feb 9, 2023

Thanks, Blaine. I had not read about the lawsuits.

10Mad · Feb 9, 2023

Thank you. Good news indeed

Six Gun Shooter · Feb 10, 2023

It'll be "good news" if the lawsuits produce any results. Otherwise, it's just hot air.

Paul in Nevada · Feb 10, 2023

"The NRA never does anything!" -Every gun forum.

CZU · Feb 16, 2023

Brace rule--Waterson vs ATF

I saw this last night:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzFqLJGbdDE[/ame]

zeke · Feb 16, 2023

thanks for the update, it be appreciated

SMSgt · Feb 16, 2023

I hope the NRS secured its saddle on that pig.

Rodan · Feb 16, 2023

Here's a good breakdown of the pleadings... pretty much all the things we've discussed on this site and others:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqyAd4t-E7E"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqyAd4t-E7E[/ame]

zeke · Feb 16, 2023

thanks, and who woulda thunk?

Valmet · Feb 16, 2023

Keep pouring it on...ATF is out of control.

Racer X · Feb 16, 2023

what is absolutely bonkers, is that other than AP US History as a hs sophmore, and 2 quarters of PNW History in college, I never really studied civics and government that deeply. But even with public school education, I immediately saw massive flaws and over reach in the ATF's handling of this, and the bump stocks.

It really mirrors common street criminals. They know it's not right, but they probably won't get caught. And if they do, they won't get in trouble. And if they do, it won't be much trouble. And then they turn around and do it again.

BB57 · Feb 17, 2023

Waterson versus the ATF, one of the many lawsuits challenging the pistol brace rule has been granted an expedited review and a hearing has been set for March 24th.

It’s based on ATF’s lack of authority under the major questions doctrine, its violation of the Administrative Procedures Act, mis use of Chevron Deference, rather than applying the rule of lenity, and violation of second amendment under the common use doctrine by claiming braced pistols are “dangerous and unusual”.

The plaintiff is asking for an injunction against implementation and asking for a decision prior to the law taking effect.

At a minimum this has the potential to put the registration requirements on hold until all the dust has settled in the legal challenges.

CH4 · Feb 17, 2023

Good news indeed! We all knew it was coming and so did the ATF.

Muss Muggins · Feb 21, 2023

Had a quarterly area LE information sharing meeting with ATFE this morning. This “rule change” was driven by two shootings and 100 trace requests regarding AR and AK pistols, with 20 to 40 million out there in common use. Draw your own conclusions. . .

Racer X · Feb 21, 2023

2 out of "20 to 40 million" yup, obviously a dire threat to humanity.

Muss, I understand you need to be careful what you pass on, but did an actual BATFE representative acknowledge that the BATFE considers there to be between 20 and 40 million in common use?

Muss Muggins · Feb 21, 2023

I'm pretty sure industry records support that. Even if it's half the bottom number, it's pretty common . . .

Racer X said:
2 out of "20 to 40 million" yup, obviously a dire threat to humanity.

Muss, I understand you need to be careful what you pass on, but did an actual BATFE representative acknowledge that the BATFE considers there to be between 20 and 40 million in common use?

Rodan · Mar 23, 2023

Another major suit filed... State of Texas, GOA, et al v. ATF... Requests nationwide injunction to halt implementation...

Complaint Pleading

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFH_FmFDyhA"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFH_FmFDyhA[/ame]

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