Help this Glock-guy see the light; questions I could not find the answer to online.

You specified hard use. No plates, with the possible exception of HK and Walther, will stand up to hard use. This is why Glock has introduced models drilled for specific red dot optics to allow mounting directly to the slide. Supposedly, they are available to LE only, but that is a company policy, not a law, so if you look hard enough, you can find one of those. Direct mount is much more preferable than mounting a plate to the slide and mounting the optic to the plate.
 
My understanding with the Glocks that had factory RMR cuts was that they were made specifically when departments ordered batches of them, and any that got out in to the wild were overrun from those contracts.

S&W has a few direct milled 4.25" M&Ps in the LE catalog.
SKU 14086: M&P Metal with ACRO cut
SKU 13965: M&P with 509T cut
SKU 14175: M&P Metal with 509T cut
 
While I do enjoy my S&W Victory and M&P 22 Compact, I use SIGs for self defense: P365, P320, P220, P238 & P229. Only the P229 has been back to the factory for issues - failure to extract - fixed and returned. They all shoot reliably and as accurate as I can tell. My buddy has Glocks and loves them and I think they are clumsy, ugly, and awkward to hold, but guess what, they sure do shoot well.
 
If I were starting fresh with SIGs, I would go with the P365 models. Smaller and many variations available including custom versions direct from the factory.
 
Sounds like the perfect opportunity to upgrade to a real pistol made out of steel? Plus, you have something that won't go down in value (G19 only exception).
I've seen some videos of 10mm Glocks that have blown up, certainly couldn't be that cheap "pot" metal they use?
S&W have several 1911's to choose from.
If high capacity is a must, go Hi Power or 10mm double stack?
You have a pleathura of proven choices.
Threads suck w/o pictures.

S&W 1911 E & PC 45acp
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Hi Power 1969 T series & MkIII
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Tanfoglio 10mm double stack
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Because Glocks grip angle in wonky, the trigger is worse than the M&P1.0, sights are usually plastic and not as accurate as the M&P. I’ve owned 16 Glocks over the years, and the M&P is a better gun in all areas except magazine price and aftermarket support.

65% of American Law Enforcement uses Glocks. LEOs got it right. I used all S&W pistols 59, 659, 5906 and 4506 as a LEO and the Glocks are much better on the street. JMHO YMMV
 
65% of American Law Enforcement uses Glocks. LEOs got it right. I used all S&W pistols 59, 659, 5906 and 4506 as a LEO and the Glocks are much better on the street. JMHO YMMV

Hmmm. Call my cynical, but I suggest that 65% of LEOs use Glocks (and would like it ;)) because their bean-counting superiors told them they would.:D Glock's aggressive marketing and "loss-leader" tactics are well documented, so I have little doubt that "follow the money" has often been a factor.

As for what are generally seen as the Glock drawbacks, grip shape/angle and trigger, I have a number of "not Glocks" that are MUCH nicer in the hand and are more pleasing on your trigger finger. Still, they retain much of the Glock's simplicity. Sadly, most of them have yet to penetrate the LE market, often because they are foreign made.
 
The lowest bidder usually gets the contract, who did Glock cozy up to?
 
Been shooting handguns for over 50 years and I guess I am odd man out because I do not feel the need to mount some sort of optic on my carry guns. Even at my age now and with my eyesite not as sharp as it was in my youth I can still keep my rounds on target at 25 yards with no problem. Optics are just stuff to get hung up on holsters, shirts, jackets, barriers, or whatever else you are trying to negotiate around. As far as Glocks I have never warmed up to them, shot some and never figured out the orgasm associated with them. I have owned just about everything out there except a Glock and have found some wanting and some that could hold their own. I currently carry the Plus with 15 round mags in them and it is for me one of the most natural shooting guns I have owned, plus it is easy to carry. But as always my opinions are just that, my own and if somebody agrees then hooray for me, if somebody disagrees then I still won't lose any sleep tonight.
 
The lowest bidder usually gets the contract, who did Glock cozy up to?

Everybody! All kinds of deals on bulk buys, armorer training, repairs, you name it. They were aggressive in their marketing and customer service in a way that S&W and Ruger had never seen. Besides, the retail prices we see have no relation to the per unit cost in LE/Mil/Gov contracts.
 
Everybody! All kinds of deals on bulk buys, armorer training, repairs, you name it. They were aggressive in their marketing and customer service in a way that S&W and Ruger had never seen. Besides, the retail prices we see have no relation to the per unit cost in LE/Mil/Gov contracts.

Glock definitely changed the US LE sales market game, and struck while the timing was right.

Beretta hinted at what could be done with government contracts as advertising for higher margin consumer sales with the 92/M9.

Glock perfected that business model and relegated established brands to second-tier status.
 
Go Glock or P365 and be happy. I'm stuck in S&W 3rd gen world and can't make myself like the M&P pistol line. Recommend P365 Xmacro tacops.
 
I would not say M&Ps, P320s, PDPs, etc. are wannabes. They’re all good and when I tried the M&P Metal I just shot it so well

Since you came here looking for advise and admit you shoot the Metal version Soooo well BUT then not say M&Ps, P320s, PDPs, etc. are wannabes .

Why not stay with your glock and be a happy fan boy unless you figure if you want to try brand X,Y or Z But that your choice and there plenty of treads to read and most brands and models with out the questions until you can refine a handgun you might be serious about .
 
You may also want to consider the Springfield XD line.
I carried a Glock 29 for years...you know, the many years it had taken wishy-washy S&W to produce a 10mm M&P...so I got tired of waiting on them and purchased the 10mm XD Elite 3.8". Exact same size as a G29, with a far more comfortable grip. It shoots very well, and I've had zero issues. I don't use a red dot, but the option is there.
Sold the G29 within a week of getting the XDm.
 
Since you came here looking for advise and admit you shoot the Metal version Soooo well BUT then not say M&Ps, P320s, PDPs, etc. are wannabes .

Why not stay with your glock and be a happy fan boy unless you figure if you want to try brand X,Y or Z But that your choice and there plenty of treads to read and most brands and models with out the questions until you can refine a handgun you might be serious about .

Calm down now.
 
Calm down now.

No calming down needed . Just attempting to tell the OP needs to refine there choice so replies can help .

When the OP has 3 cartridge options , 3 brand and 3 size options at minimum helps not very practical on a forum as to many folks like all the options and others as some already have mentioned!

Some indoor range / gun shops when rentals are s l o w you can try a few handguns in one cartridge choice for one rental fee using there ammo .
 
65% of American Law Enforcement uses Glocks. LEOs got it right. I used all S&W pistols 59, 659, 5906 and 4506 as a LEO and the Glocks are much better on the street. JMHO YMMV
And just exactly what percentage of those officers are actually gun guys and know what the best handgun is? Maybe 10%? They are issued a gun, whichever one the current is. It’s like asking an infantry soldier what the best rifle is, 90% have only ever fired the M16/M4 during their entire lives. I love finding old police trade ins. They were carried a lot and shot very little.
 
I did personal extensive study while looking for the best all around platform to our personal defense. I tried to not be prejudiced and at the time price was not a problem. I depended on the tried and true 1911 for years, also the Model 39 Smith which I carried while traveling on motorcycle and vehicle. Glocks have always been ugly but many of my friends including LE types could go for hours about them. The first striker fired pistol I settled on was the first run of Springfield XD .45's, it was OK but didn't have what I was looking for, especially for my wife's hands and experience. I did not give the smaller caliber Springfields a chance, it was basically for me and I wanted a .45. Fast forward to my first HK experiment and my wife's introduction to firearms instruction from local people with experience and training. She came out of the class with "I like Glocks and Sigs." I had just bought an HK-P2000K for C.C. and let her take it to the range, that one went to her. She called it her little German sewing machine. I ended up trying an HK-USP-Tactical and the search was over. We ended up with my wife's favorite pistol being her HK-USP-Tactical with all of HK's box of tricks from funnel mag to suppressor, I suppressed the .45 as well. The Tacticals are large pistols and when HK came out with their HK-45C I gave one a whirl and loved it, it has an illuminated dot sight from Burris and a Streamlight weapons light, its my bedside pistol.
When I tried all of these firearms out I fired them upside down, sideways and just about every condition except under water. All of the HK's never disappointed.
A couple years ago since my wife's HK was in .40 I had purchased a large quantity of ammo for it along with other calibers that I bought on speculation during the first big ammo crunch which paid a significant return when sold to those unprepared for a lack of ammo. I had won an AR built by the women's side of our club "Well Armed Women". I have no use for an AR platform but decided to have a PDW built on its platform and ended up with a short barreled AR pistol with Sig brace and 8" barrel, I had it built in .40 due to large amount of ammo I had on hand. I had it built to use Glock mags and had a large quantity of 30 rnd mags literally given to me by a friend. This same friend sold me a Glock in .40 caliber with compensation cuts. First time I tried it I had to smile, ugly they may be but they do work well. So the Glock and the multitude of mags are in the same bug out bag as the PDW, if I ever let any of that stuff go it will be together as a kit. When I had the PDW built I had it threaded the same as my wife's HK .40 Tactical so it could use the same suppressor. The machinist had a hell of a time with those metric left hand threads, but he pulled it off. Thats my Glock story, I would stay with a Glock if I were you, a couple thousand cops cant be wrong. We have a range officer that was with LA PD back in the bad old days, then worked in Colorado and the firearm in his waistband is a Glock.
I never took the time to get used to the Glock like trigger on the XD and found the trigger mushy, once adapted to Glock's trigger I don't have a complaint. Its like anything, once you have a certain level of proficiency just about everything is liveable. The pistol trigger I like the best of all of our collection is the one in my HK-45C, it most closely resembles the trigger of the MK-23 which has the neatest reset without any modification I have ever experienced, double taps are second nature. If it weren't for the fact that MK-23's probably would classify as "crew served weapons" in some folk's book I would have one of those, the .45 Tactical is significantly lighter in weight and pocket book. If I were going to put thousands of rounds down the barrel and be in serious business all the time a MK-23 would be great, I also never gave the big Beretta and shot.
 
Hmmm. Call my cynical, but I suggest that 65% of LEOs use Glocks (and would like it ;)) because their bean-counting superiors told them they would.:D Glock's aggressive marketing and "loss-leader" tactics are well documented, so I have little doubt that "follow the money" has often been a factor.

:rolleyes:
 

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