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just looked at PSA .... it's worse than that now
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Alliant powders what gives ?
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just looked at PSA .... it's worse than that now
I think the reason 9mm and 223 is "reasonable" now, is the manufacturers overproduced. I was in Academy several months ago and they were telling me how many pallets of those they had in stock. I wonder if when that supply dwindles, if the increased component cost will drive up those prices again.
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PSA has Rem UMC 55 FMJ at just $750 per 1000 ... Winchester counterpart ... $550.
so... yeah, it's already happening, with vista company leading the way.
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... are MANUFACTURED shortages.
Anything to keep the prices high.
That wouldn't be very smart, though, necessarily.
Alliant would make A LOT more money (probably) by selling a high volume of lower priced products, instead of a low volume of higher priced product.
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I just saw a bunch of 4 lb'ers of Bullseye and 2400 at my local big box store in Ohio.
STILL NO UNIQUE THOUGH, grrrr.
So they must still be producing some of this stuff.
STILL NO UNIQUE THOUGH, grrrr.
So they must still be producing some of this stuff.
I have gone in a different direction. Not easy..I look for cans of older powders...discontinued. And I have had really good luck finding them. Reloader 11 and 12 is easily found and usually cheap. I recently bought 3 sealed cans of RL 11 for 10 dollars each. and a couple cans of RL 12 for the same but had to take the RL 21 that was with it(I'll probably not use the RL 21). There is still plenty of loading data for them too. I have also gotten old sealed cans of Unique and 2400 for 15-20 dollars a can. It is surprising how much of the old cans are left...And no...I have not used or tried to use any that was bad. Hercules powders just seem to be long lasting. I still have a pound or so of Hi Vel #2 from a can from 1937. A pretty good 30-30 powder. .And another old powder to look for is Herco.. Not much different than Unique and a very viable replacement for it
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Herco is a pretty good substitute for Unique, though load data certainly isn't interchangeable. Many of those who started handloading in recent decades are unfamiliar with Herco, but it's worth trying if you can't find Unique. It's also an Alliant powder, just not a popular one these days.
venomballistics
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but they still do ... We are not the customers, GOVERNMENTS are.
Be it the military of multiple nations, or the various federal agencies, these are their customers. Vista is anti gun, and fulfilling the vision of "Only police should have guns"
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good old herco ....
I got acquainted with it loading 12 ga where it worked, but didn't really excel. I think I still have some ... I may have to play with it in a few pistol cartridges where it may find a sweet spot.
Over on another forum people are crying a river over this. They are so hooked on Alliant powders they don't realize that they can get other brands that will do the same thing.
"Oh my I will have to redo all my "load development"
Alliant doesn't have any magic powders. Yes, I have some BE, 2400 and Unique But also other powders that will work just as well.
Plus, their online data info is terrible compared to Hodgdon.
"Oh my I will have to redo all my "load development"
Alliant doesn't have any magic powders. Yes, I have some BE, 2400 and Unique But also other powders that will work just as well.
Plus, their online data info is terrible compared to Hodgdon.
Alliant data in the free manuals they used to give you were all max loads. You were supposed to start 10% below especially for rifle loads. ...BTW a pretty good mid range or a little above 44 mag load with Herco is 10.5 grains with a standard primer and a 240 gr SWC lead bullet. I loaded a whole bunch when I got an 8 pound Herco for 40 dollars.
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A real handloader looks forward to load development using something different. You never know what's around the corner if you don't experiment...
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that's largely how I met the activity since I started.
I don't have many loads derived from the age old Hercules powder bible as a result. and what few remain have some flavor of a backup.
looking at how entrenched the product line is in our culture, it's plain to see how much pain it has inflicted upon many.
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Your right. Fewer handloaders have much interest in load development these days. Powders come and go, but I've yet to find a powder that can't be replaced, though it may take some effort.
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Except for Trail Boss.
I’d love to try that in my Uberti with the .45 cylinder before I die…
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Except for Trail Boss.
I’d love to try that in my Uberti with the .45 cylinder before I die…
It's not been perfect, but I can find most on the shelf.
Trail boss is something I think they rebrand from some obscure manufacturer.
Might even be the Russian stuff a guy gave me a sample of for sub sonic work
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Trail Boss may be part of the situation where Hodgdon has been unable to get any powder out of ADI Australia.
Trail Boss used to be an ADI powder. Dunno if it still is.
The Clays (universal etc.) production line burned down years ago
so Hodgdon moved that production to Canada but supplies were limited and then disappeared.
The ADI powders I am looking for H4198 and H322 are no where to be seen with potential prices that are staggering.
Vihtavouri's prices are lower so that's where I am going (N120).
Since they used to be the most expensive option that also shows how weird things have become.
I agree that there is almost always some way to make what's available work even if it is not optimum.
Here's a cut and paste of the ADI-Hodgdon connection from a much larger spreadsheet (The 444 Master Reloading Table).
The conversion to PDF is not perfect but you will get the idea.
This table is from a few years back.
Trail Boss used to be an ADI powder. Dunno if it still is.
The Clays (universal etc.) production line burned down years ago
so Hodgdon moved that production to Canada but supplies were limited and then disappeared.
The ADI powders I am looking for H4198 and H322 are no where to be seen with potential prices that are staggering.
Vihtavouri's prices are lower so that's where I am going (N120).
Since they used to be the most expensive option that also shows how weird things have become.
I agree that there is almost always some way to make what's available work even if it is not optimum.
Here's a cut and paste of the ADI-Hodgdon connection from a much larger spreadsheet (The 444 Master Reloading Table).
The conversion to PDF is not perfect but you will get the idea.
This table is from a few years back.
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Oh wow, I'd give my left ### for 2400 bout now.
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I've used #2400 since the 1960's, but if I absolutely couldn't find any, I'd try Accurate #9. I used it on a very limited basis some years ago with cast bullet .357 loads. Burn rate is pretty close to #2400 and a little load development might be worth the effort.
