1905 hand ejector 32-20
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Bo Rich
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Miley Gil, The ammo did not come in the original box. It was loose Factory ammo in a plastic container. 44 Peters cartridges, and eight Winchester. Let me know if you want some pictures of the ammo as is.
Please post pictures of the HV 32-20 ammo. There’s entirely to much confusion about ammo that hasn’t been produced in at least 60 year. We can’t go one 32-20 thread without it rearing its head. All major ammo manufacturers,32-20 ammo is loaded to it lowest pressure specs. Thank you I’ll step down from the soap box now.
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What dwh said!
Never heard of that company.
Perhaps we should say the MAJOR ammunition companies-Winchester, Western (and the combo W-W), Remington, Peters (and the combo R-P).
DWalt
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I never heard of Ventura either. Probably one of dozens of small local specialty private ammunition loaders. Of course, another easy source of .32-20 HV ammo (assuming you felt a need for it) would be to simply handload it yourself. Just like loading .38-44 ammunition yourself. There is no doubt that back in the day, some .32-20 revolver owners used the HV ammunition without turning their revolvers into hand grenades. However, I have read it has been reported that firing HV loads could sometimes lead to splitting the barrel in the forcing cone area. I have never seen a .32-20 revolver that had such a split, but I grant it is at least possible.
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Ya, Ventura. There is also BuffaloBore HV 32-20. About $2.00 a round.
I'm in agreement with DWalt that around the turn of the century 32-20 owners loaded and shot the HV stuff in revolvers, or at least carried it. Would have been the first "magnum." The cylinders are beefy enough to handle it. Probably not good for regular extended shooting. Good defense carry round.
I'm in agreement with DWalt that around the turn of the century 32-20 owners loaded and shot the HV stuff in revolvers, or at least carried it. Would have been the first "magnum." The cylinders are beefy enough to handle it. Probably not good for regular extended shooting. Good defense carry round.
Bo Rich
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I should be able to post pictures Thursday afternoon. Thanks for your patience.
45NUTT
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I was looking for 32-20 on ammoseek.com and Ventura Munitions and Georgia Arms seemed to have it in stock. And you are correct, the majors haven't loaded it in a while. I don't reload so this is the only way I can shoot my revolvers and rifle.
https://www.georgia-arms.com/32-20-win-1/
Model19man
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Unlikely this is anything to worry about. Please post photos.
Bo Rich
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Sorry that it took a little while to send these pictures. I needed my Son to help! The first
Picture is of the Winchester .32-20 listed as .32 M. 92 special W.H.V. Features a 115 grain bullet at 1635 FPS with 635 EFP. It is warned not to use in Pistols, Revolvers, or the Model 1873 Winchester rifle. The next picture is of the Peters Cartridge. On the head stamp you can see that it is marked .32-20 H.V. At this time I am unaware of the bullet weight.
Picture is of the Winchester .32-20 listed as .32 M. 92 special W.H.V. Features a 115 grain bullet at 1635 FPS with 635 EFP. It is warned not to use in Pistols, Revolvers, or the Model 1873 Winchester rifle. The next picture is of the Peters Cartridge. On the head stamp you can see that it is marked .32-20 H.V. At this time I am unaware of the bullet weight.
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DWalt
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The rifle only loads were headstamped distinctively (like those two pictured) and used jacketed hollow point bullets. I believe the rifle bullet weight was lighter, about 80-85 grains. That may have varied some by manufacturer. 115 grains would be too heavy for a HV rifle only bullet. That is a typical weight for a standard lead revolver bullet.
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Bo Rich
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DWalt, The information on the Winchester .32-20 ammo can out of there 1931 catalog. It is listed as 115grain bullet.
DWalt
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I’m not reading you. Are you saying that the Winchester 1931 catalog shows a high velocity .32-20 rifle only load with a 115 grain bullet?
Bo Rich
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DWalt, The .32 W.H.V. M-92 load is listed in the 1931 Winchester catalog as I have posted it. The standard load is 115 grains at 1225 FPS. There is also a 80 grain Superspeed load at 2000 FPS. So, of the three loads Winchester offered in 1931 two were high velocity.
DWalt
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Insofar as I know from looking over old ammunition manufacturer catalogs going back into the 1930s, the HV .32-20 rifle-only loads listed always showed that they used lighter weight jacketed expanding bullets, usually 80 grains. Standard velocity .32-20 loads used heavier lead (and sometimes jacketed soft point) bullets, normally 100-115 grains. So, are you saying that in the 1931 catalog Winchester offered HV loads using 115 grain bullets? Or are you saying the 1931 Winchester catalog listed two different HV .32-20 loads? And if so, how do they differ? I am confused. I have Remington and UMC catalogs going back into the early 20th Century, but my Winchester catalogs only go into the 1950s, with a few older sources. Also a few earlier Peters.
BTW, I lived in Painesville for a while back in the 1960s.
BTW, I lived in Painesville for a while back in the 1960s.
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DWalt
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I checked out Ventura. They seem to be an ammunition merchant operating out of Las Vegas, selling numerous commercial brands of handgun and rifle ammunition. They also sell at least some calibers under their own label, one of which is .32-20. They do sell something resembling a high velocity .32-20 rifle round, but it seems to be somewhat mildly loaded vs. the earlier HV .32-20 rifle-only cartridges of yesteryear, and uses a different bullet type and weight. At $80/box of 50. https://www.venturamunitions.com/ve...winchester-100gr-jhp-hi-speed-ammo-50-rounds/
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Bo Rich
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DWalt, They offered three different loads. 115 grain Standard Veocity. As well as Two different HV loads one with a 80 grain bullet, and the other with a 115 grain bullet. This is what Winchester had available in 1931, as stated in there catalog. Interestingly, bak in the 1990s I purchase a Winchester Model 1892 from a Old Timer friend of mine. He told me that he used it in New York for deer back in the 1920s. It was a .32-20. I can see that at close range with the 115 grain HV load it would be effective, like it was for him. When you lived in Painesville did you go to Atwell’s Gun shop? It is still open after three generations. Bernie’s boys Chuck, and Dan own it know.
DWalt
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Have never seen any reference to a HV .32-20 having a 115 grain bullet, usually 80 grain. The whole idea was to get higher bullet velocity by using a lightweight bullet so bullet expansion would be greater without raising the chamber pressure out of sight. The old (and newer) ammo catalogs show the MV of a HV .32-20 load when fired from a rifle to be around 2000 ft/sec. I once lived in Western Maryland, had a friend there whose only deer rifle was a Winchester 43 in .32-20. It worked OK for him.
I worked at Diamond Alkali in Fairport Harbor when I lived there. Also lived in Mentor on the Lake. Later moved to Cleveland to work in Diamond’s HQ office at East 9th & Euclid. Of course today Diamond is extinct.
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