Two tone CS40

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I purchased this on GB this week. Credit to the FFL there. He shipped it the day after the sale, CA to CT. My FFL received it Thursday; I picked it up this morning. Price was good too. $496.28 total after fees, shipping and tax.

Question for those knowledgeable in the CS series. I also have my eye on a CS9D in stainless. I've heard those are hard to come by. Is that true?

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Good for you. I like it. Looks pretty sharp in 2 tone. Price not bad either. LGS near me had a stainless in 45 ACP for $599 recently. First CS series gun I had seen for sale in years. Maybe more popular now. Seems they ended production just when the micro craze began. Always thought S&W should produce them again.
 
LOVE it!!!
Let me know how you carry it and what ammo you use.
I got a CS40 for just over 500 shipped and all. The first ammo box I found was Hornady 180 grain subsonic. It shoots to point of aim very tight groups.
 
ACEd, the one I'm looking at is $450 + tax. Total being $478.57 for the gun and 1 magazine.

B P, my EDC is a S&W Shield in 40 S&W. I've had it going on 13 years. I carry IWB in a leather holster made by a local craftsman when I was living in WA state. (Dana Leonard) It has Federal HST 180 GR Jacketed Hollow Points. I just checked the CS40 in my current holster and it fits like a glove. I'm going to the range tomorrow and I will give it a try with some range ammo that I have on hand. Freedom Munitions 165 GR RNFP. Range report to follow. I'm not sure if I will carry it since I'm so comfortable with my Shield. My main motivation in purchasing the CS40 was to round out the CS collection of one each. 9mm, 40 S&W, and 45 ACP.
 
ACEd, the one I'm looking at is $450 + tax. Total being $478.57 for the gun and 1 magazine.

B P, my EDC is a S&W Shield in 40 S&W. I've had it going on 13 years. I carry IWB in a leather holster made by a local craftsman when I was living in WA state. (Dana Leonard) It has Federal HST 180 GR Jacketed Hollow Points. I just checked the CS40 in my current holster and it fits like a glove. I'm going to the range tomorrow and I will give it a try with some range ammo that I have on hand. Freedom Munitions 165 GR RNFP. Range report to follow. I'm not sure if I will carry it since I'm so comfortable with my Shield. My main motivation in purchasing the CS40 was to round out the CS collection of one each. 9mm, 40 S&W, and 45 ACP.
For $478 with 1 mag, I would grab a CS9D if its in good condition - Field strip and check inside esp lugs on aluminum frame. 9mm 7rd mags are same as early 7rd 3913TSW. They are out there but may be pricey. I have a CS9D in blue and all variations of CS9 - and CS40 except the D - still looking for a CS40D and maybe a CS45D
 
I did take it to the range today. Things didn't go as well as I would have liked. The second round I tried to load into the magazine did not want to go in. I opened up the magazine to see what was going on. The sides of the follower were carboned up. After cleaning and reassembly, it loaded fine. My first 5 shots weren't great either. 3 rounds in the 7 ring and 2 on the edge of the paper. (6" diameter target) The remaining 45 rounds were primarily in the 8,9, & 10 rings low and left of the bullseye. I did manage 3 in the bull. All shots were off hand at 7 yards attempting a dead center hold. I will be bringing it on all future range trips until I get a better handle on it. I did struggle a bit with placing my pinky finger under the magazine and squeezing it up into the front strap. I will also be on the hunt for another magazine or two. On the plus side, all the rounds went bang, with no issues.
 
I did take it to the range today. Things didn't go as well as I would have liked. The second round I tried to load into the magazine did not want to go in. I opened up the magazine to see what was going on. The sides of the follower were carboned up. After cleaning and reassembly, it loaded fine. My first 5 shots weren't great either. 3 rounds in the 7 ring and 2 on the edge of the paper. (6" diameter target) The remaining 45 rounds were primarily in the 8,9, & 10 rings low and left of the bullseye. I did manage 3 in the bull. All shots were off hand at 7 yards attempting a dead center hold. I will be bringing it on all future range trips until I get a better handle on it. I did struggle a bit with placing my pinky finger under the magazine and squeezing it up into the front strap. I will also be on the hunt for another magazine or two. On the plus side, all the rounds went bang, with no issues.
What ammunition were you using - as I recall some of the 40s were sensitive to ammunition 165gr vs 180gr. (I know my 9mm pistols prefer the 124 or 147 over the 115gr.) Try both to see which one it likes
 
Went in to my local pawn shop the other day and did a quick walk by the used guns. Lying there was a CS-45! It was tagged $625, marked down to $499.... Hmm. says I, they don't know what they have. Write it up, says I. Well, only one mag, they say, and take it down to $400...I left skid marks pulling my wallet out. 10% tax and a box of ammo, less than $500 OTD. I already had a CS9 and a 457. The CS45 is about 1/2 inch shorter on the slide and frame than the 457. Only down side I found when I got home and pulled out the SCSW5th, I found that they use proprietary mags, and they are few and far between and kinda expensive.
 
I have one of the 2 tone CS40's also . I sent it off to BMCM and had it modified to 10mm . Then ended up getting another slide and barrel so it's whichever caliber I feel like shooting . 10mm out of it does tend to bark ......
 
I've got a CS45 that I used to carry daily and shot IDPA with. Love that little hand cannon. What's the difference between the CS and the "D" model?
 
Congrats on your find! :)

Concerning your range test results one thing popped into my mind that you might want to check on.

My CS40, & I assume all/most others, had no freebore/leade cut into the chamber/barrel. This can cause some real problems depending on what ammo or handloads you're using.

Below is the post in my thread (CS40 added to the collection (last content added: alternate recoil springs tested) that addressed that problem & the fix.

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Fixing the freebore/leade problem in the CS40

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Having received the ordered Manson 40/10 throater I next decided on a means to help facilitate the task & what dimension to use for the CS40's barrel.

Since the Zero 165gr & 180gr JHPs are the bullets I use the most for range & casual shooting, & their profiles (which are the same) are most prone to contacting the rifling in barrels with insufficient leade/freebore when seated out to SAAMI max COAL (1.135"), I made two "bullet gages" using the 165gr JHP bullets.

One I seated normally with the nose out (A). The other reversed with the nose in the case & it's base out (B).

To determine a logical real world seating depth for each gage I looked at my spec notes containing critical dimensions & clearances I measure for each new/used pistol I buy. (I found in the past this documentation usually ends up being useful later plus you can often find problems before shooting like barrel constrictions, B-C gap issues, chamber/throat issues, etc. Yes, I go a little overboard. :p)

I picked a 4013, a pre-rail 4013TSW & a pre-rail 4056TSW to use to arrive at a happy medium for the seating depths. The large frame 4013 had the most generous factory leade/freebore while the other two medium frame 40s were close on the tighter side with the 4056TSW a tad tighter.

While my leade/freebore measurements are repeatable there's some variance possible because the pin gages I use are precise in their diameters & uniformity but for some reason their lengths are not all cut perfectly square to their diameter which causes some variations when using them in this way. They weren't intended for this use since they're sold as diameter gages, not length gages but I have to use both aspects of the pin gages to calculate the final reading.

For gage (A) I went with a COAL of 1.145" (.010" over SAAMI max) which all three barrels plunked fine with. (The 4013 could plunk up to 1.223" before contacting the rifling! :eek:)

For gage (B) I decided on a COAL of 0.992" which leaves ~.151" of the bullet's base outside the case. Again the 4013 easily swallowed this length & the other two just clearing it.

The base on these Zero bullets have a fairly square corner, more so than other name brand bullets that I checked. I felt that was a beneficial asset here.

The bullets were initially seated in unprimed sized cases & taper crimped to remove any case flaring after partial seating. Then I slowly seated the bullets while checking COAL & testing in the three barrels until the desired measurement was reach & confirmed & taper crimped again.

The pics below show gage (B) fully seated in the 4013's chamber while in the CS40's chamber it's no where close to being seated due to the lack of any freebore.

I took pics of the CS40's chamber from a left & right angle to show how the leade/freebore looks. From the left angle you can see a strange cut/groove partially up the leade. This barrel definitely got gypped at checkout. Maybe because it was in the Value Series lane? ;)

From both angles you can clearly see the rifling's leade (the cut angle) extends to the edge of the CS40's chamber shoulder. The factory cut 4013 pic shows a clear smooth freebore between the chamber shoulder & the start of the rifling's leade. All my 3rd Gens look like this with the exception of my 4040PD which is slightly less defined but still plunked these gages without any interference.

Finally at the workbench the CS40 barrel is secured horizontally, muzzle slightly down, in the padded vise & with plenty of cutting oil I slowly start cutting by hand. Manson says the throaters work best when they have to remove some throat diameter while being inserted, I suspect for alignment.

What you feel getting cut first is the throat's smooth resistance. Once you're thru the throat you're quickly into the rifling, cutting the leade angle which is definitely rougher on the hand & anything but smooth.

A pistol or barrel throater is slightly different than a revolver or cylinder throater. The pistol throater cuts the throat & leade while centered on the barrels bore with it's pilot. The revolver throater only has to cut the cylinder's throats while trying to keep centered on the exit throat. Neither touches or cuts into the chamber's existing dimensions.

Once finished the barrel was thoroughly cleaned of the cutting oil & given a light coat of preservative oil down the barrel.

The leade/freebore now measures .132" (from virtually nothing) & both gages plunk properly. The throat diameter changed from an unusually tight .3985" (no doubt because it really didn't have a throat due to the leade running to the shoulder) to .4025".

I hate having to load special ammo for a particular gun versus what it siblings get. Now I don't have to with the CS40 anymore. :)

Next stop the range to shoot some 1.135" handloads in it.

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Thank you BLUEDOT37, I sincerely appreciate your sharing your extensive knowledge and experience in fixing your throat issue. That made for an intriguing read. I don't believe I have a throat issue with mine. I happen to also have a model 4013 and I visually checked both barrels side by side. They look similar and very well done. The CS40 in fact actually looks a little better as the face and ramp are mirror polished. I am shooting inexpensive Freedom Munitions 165 GR RNFP bullets. I will try some 180 GR ammunition but honestly my inaccuracy was probably more on me getting used to shooting something new with a shorter grip fame. I do have a CS9, a CS45 and a bunch of Detonics Combat Master's but have not shot either in quite some time.
 
I've got a CS45 that I used to carry daily and shot IDPA with. Love that little hand cannon. What's the difference between the CS and the "D" model?
The CS45 (blue or silver) and the CS45S (silver) are TDA = Traditional Double Action - first shot can be single or double action, subsequent shots are single action until safety is applied. The CS45D is DAO = Double Action Only.
 
The CS45 (blue or silver) and the CS45S (silver) are TDA = Traditional Double Action - first shot can be single or double action, subsequent shots are single action until safety is applied. The CS45D is DAO = Double Action Only.
Thank you, that makes sense.
 

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