I picked up a box of 500 oregon trail laser-cast 180 gr.FP [.358] I have a rossi 92 a 686 and a M 27.id like to find a all around load if that's possible. I have unique,bullseye , cfe pistol.W231.H110and SR 4759.Any one have a opinion or a load they like.
180 gr 357.
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I load for the LBT 358-180 WFN in .357, but the configuration, bearing length, etc. of your bullet may be similar or very different than the LBT design . Do you have a photo of it?
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The #4 Lyman Cast Bullet Manual has load data for a SAECO (Redding) 180 grain cast flat nosed bullet, which is probably very similar to the OP's bullet type. It shows H110 with a starting load of 12.7 grains (1112 fps) and a max load of 14.0 grains (1266 fps). No loads shown for the other powders you listed.
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My old Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook (from 1973, I think) shows data for a 195 grain cast bullet #358430, which is a round nose design. It shows Bullseye with a starting load of 3.0 grains (755 fps) and a max load of 4.0 grains (895 fps).
It also shows Unique with a starting load of 5.0 grains (985 fps) and a max load of 6.5 grains (1185 fps).
These loads should be safe for your 180 brain bullet. You might not want to start at the absolute minimum, but bump it up a little, since your bullet is about 8% lighter. Watch carefully for stuck bullets with the lowest loads. Use at your own discretion.
It also shows Unique with a starting load of 5.0 grains (985 fps) and a max load of 6.5 grains (1185 fps).
These loads should be safe for your 180 brain bullet. You might not want to start at the absolute minimum, but bump it up a little, since your bullet is about 8% lighter. Watch carefully for stuck bullets with the lowest loads. Use at your own discretion.
Well, it's a magnum cartridge . 4759 is out, that's best for reduced loads. A starting load of H110 would be good and it's recommended for rifle with that bullet weight. My next choice if you don't want a full magnum load would be CFE Pistol and then Unique. Bullseye is best for target loads and 231 is a great medium 'go-to' powder, but wouldn't be my choice for this.
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You're right; that's why I posed the question about a photo from the OP. I've used the SAECO 180 GC. It's not like the LBT design.
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That would be sweet in your revolvers! I'd load a dummy round to make sure it'll fit in the 27's short cylinder; it probably will, but the dummy round will make sure.
For H-110, Hornady's 7th Edition shows a starting load of 11.3 grains and a max load of 13.1 grains for their 180-grain jacketed bullets.
For H-110, Hornady's 7th Edition shows a starting load of 11.3 grains and a max load of 13.1 grains for their 180-grain jacketed bullets.
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That bullet appears to have considerable bearing surface. I'd use Lyman data in their cast bullet book but reduce starting charge slightly, work upwards and check velocity with a chronograph.
4759 was made for reduced rifle cartridges with cast bullets. It excels in that capacity. As a handgun powder it is in the H110-ish burn rate. There are better powders out there for handgun rounds
Thanks for clarifying, I should have said reduced rifle loads and yes it's USABLE in pistols, unless you have several suitable pistol powders made for that purpose.
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That has about as much bearing surface as the SAECO 185 gr. RNFP bullet that I cast. I add a gas check, since I have the gas check making tool for plain base bullets that crimps to the base when sized.
I use Hodgdon LilGun in loads for 180 to 185 gr. bullets in the .357 Magnum rifles. With LilGun, that bullet will easily achieve 1,700+ fps from my Marlin rifles, with no signs of pressure. That puts it "almost" in the same category as the 150 gr. .30-30 round. Again, I say "almost". Loaddata.com has several loads listed with LilGun and this weight cast bullet.
Hope this helps.
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I use Hodgdon LilGun in loads for 180 to 185 gr. bullets in the .357 Magnum rifles. With LilGun, that bullet will easily achieve 1,700+ fps from my Marlin rifles, with no signs of pressure. That puts it "almost" in the same category as the 150 gr. .30-30 round. Again, I say "almost". Loaddata.com has several loads listed with LilGun and this weight cast bullet.
Hope this helps.
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Shoot, that's almost .35 Remington territory!
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My self imposed rule is to not post exact loading data on the internet, for various reasons. I used to be a moderator on three different reloading forums and I saw some really bizarre data posted.
With that said, Loaddata.com has loads listed for a 185 gr. cast GC bullet and LilGun from 14 gr. to 16 gr. I've avoided the 16 gr. loads, just because I didn't feel the need, but the 15 gr. load shows 1,710 fps across my PACT Professional Chronograph, and it's accurate enough in my light little Marlin leverguns that I stopped right there and called it good.
I've stopped hunting deer, and only hunt elk these days, but I'd have no qualms about using that load on deer. For elk, I use either a 444 Marlin or a 45-70 Marlin. Both do the job well and I have a love for leverguns. About 20 years ago, I dropped a Northern Alberta moose with one shot from my 45-70 Marlin at a measured 125 yards. The Indian guide was impressed, to say the least. He said it sounded like a kettle drum when that 405 gr. bullet hit my moose.
Hope this helps.
Fred
With that said, Loaddata.com has loads listed for a 185 gr. cast GC bullet and LilGun from 14 gr. to 16 gr. I've avoided the 16 gr. loads, just because I didn't feel the need, but the 15 gr. load shows 1,710 fps across my PACT Professional Chronograph, and it's accurate enough in my light little Marlin leverguns that I stopped right there and called it good.
I've stopped hunting deer, and only hunt elk these days, but I'd have no qualms about using that load on deer. For elk, I use either a 444 Marlin or a 45-70 Marlin. Both do the job well and I have a love for leverguns. About 20 years ago, I dropped a Northern Alberta moose with one shot from my 45-70 Marlin at a measured 125 yards. The Indian guide was impressed, to say the least. He said it sounded like a kettle drum when that 405 gr. bullet hit my moose.
Hope this helps.
Fred
I use H110 with a 180 gr TC bullet much like yours to get 1609 fps in a 1894 Marlin carbine. No signs of excess pressure and the load works fine in my N frame S&W’s too. I could probably get a bit more velocity if I wanted to but this load does everything I need it to so why press it?
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Hello Fred, it's been a while since we communicated.
Could you see if Quick Loads has the 357 magnum with RCBS 180 Silhouette Cast Gas check or the jacketed bullet with Lil Gun powder?
Thanks,
Wade
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