Tyler T-Grips and the Oklahoma Attorney General

@Law-dog I appreciate your view point and comments, though I believe you are coming off a little strong. Your negativity is not well founded, and while I certainly respect your life experience, keep in mind you are not the only attorney on this forum.

I assure you I have more than complied with the terms of my contract with Tyler, and it is all very well documented.

Based on my communications with the OK AG, I also have every confidence that the Consumer Division of the OK AG’s office is taking the matter seriously and will assist me in obtaining a resolution despite the fact that I am not a resident of Oklahoma.

I look forward to providing the forum with an update when the matter comes to a conclusion, and I am hopeful my experience will serve as a gentle nudge to Tyler to repair their business model.

I am also hopeful the path I have suggested for others will be an efficient, low cost method to obtain refunds if that is what someone wants to do.

I do not have any reason to believe the Tyler folks are bad or evil or crooked, my sense is they are just busy with life and work and all the things we all deal with everyday. I do feel the Tyler folks need to direct a little bit more attention to their T-Grip business, and I think if they just listed these adapters on their website or on EBay as they were manufactured and skipped the advance deposit and endless waiting with no communication, they would significantly increase customer satisfaction and the profitability of their business.

326MOD10 said:

People haven't filed complaints because it is nothing out of the ordinary when dealing with Tyler T-Grips.

I have bought several and I patiently wait for them to arrive. A little research before ordering will show you that this has been the common practice and common complaint for a long time.

Bottom line is they are a small operation with little profit to be made more than likely and not able to compete with the have to have it now folks that permeate our society. If they were easy to make then there would be oodles of them out there on the market for us to chose from that fit the handgun and are metal.

As stated above I have waited for extended periods of time but never been ripped off.

After your crusade is over maybe we will be lucky and not have the original metal grip adapter to buy any longer. That should drive up the prices of the ones I waited patiently for whenever I go to sell.

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Seriously? The guy has waited for SIXTEEN months with no response. That hardly qualifies him for the “have it now crowd”.

CH4 said:

Took me 14 months, but I finally received them. Worth the wait. There's definitely a lot of romm for improvement with their communications.View attachment 764727

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No accessory is worth a 14 month wait to me...None...Zero.

I doubt I'd wait 14 months for a one-off example of the gun itself

Good luck to you sir. I have heard this several times over the last few years, but most if not all eventually got their product.

Now, what follows is hearsay but I have heard it from what I consider to be reliable sources several times. I will also apologize if this has already been mentioned. I did not read all of the responses.

Supposedly, Tyler is down to a couple of people who have these made in batches somewhere and are working out of a garage or basement or some such just to keep them available. If you order something they do not have on hand at the moment, or you catch them on vacation, etc. etc. if may take a while. If this is true it would explain why I have heard many say it was taking WAY too long, but very few, if any (I don’t recall any), who never got their product. It would also explain no phone, no email, etc. There is no office.

Also, if it is in fact true, I applaud them for doing what they are doing to keep the product alive for us older guys as well as new shooters who may want them. Personally I like them on J frames because the stock small grips are just too small for me to hang on to, and the oversized rubber grips kind of defeats the purpose of carrying a little 5 shot revolver. I do have a set on my old 58 that has the original service stocks and is a handful with magnum loads without it, but very manageable with it.

I hope they continue. They COULD however be better at communicating the “why” in some way to those waiting.

The only time I ordered from them took about 8 weeks, but they did come.

I own one Tyler, bought it on flea bay. Never dared to buy directly from them based on years of bad publicity. Much prefer the BK adaptors now.

MN Rifleman said:

Seriously? The guy has waited for SIXTEEN months with no response. That hardly qualifies him for the “have it now crowd”.

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I said I would be done with this thread but I feel forced to say something as people take comments out of context and have poor reading comprehension.

NO, THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID

I said the company can't compete with the gotta have it now crowd. Nothing to do with the OP but just a fact.

I have never said this is the way to run a business or that if they defrauded anyone it was okay.

What I have said is these complaints have been around forever. I myself, as posted here, have waited 18 months for a couple. If you think all of a sudden it will be different then you are mistaken.

What is the old adage about the definition of insanity is not doing the same thing over and over again it is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

I also said in retrospect I understand why the OP did what he did in a later post. But I wouldn’t expect some big reform

MelvinWalker said:

Until somebody in China figures out how to make an exact aged copy of these and they sell them on Wish.com for $15

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If I ever see a Chinacrap Tyler copy, I will run far away. This idea of 125% tariff is ridiculous. It should be 500%.

GypsmJim said:

If I ever see a Chinacrap Tyler copy, I will run far away. This idea of 125% tariff is ridiculous. It should be 500%.

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If you ever see it? Really?

I just took this picture from three pieces of "silver" that I ordered directly from China on Ebay...One is a one ounce .999 2016 US Silver Eagle, one is an 1884 Carson City Morgan silver dollar and the last one is a 1908 barber half.

All of them are 100% FAKE...These fakes are so good, that under a loupe they would fool most casual collectors. Ebay knows it and does nothing about it. The Eagle was $9, the silver dollar was $8 and the half dollar was $6 I believe. I keep seeing YouTube video about it, so I thought, they can't be THAT good, right? Wrong...I bought them to show how people good fakes are from China. They even put a few bag marks on the CC silver dollar for a little effect. The Barber half has some wear added commensurate to an average circulated coin of that vintage.

Want to see a fake Rolex so good it almost will fool a jeweler? I can show you that too....Made in either Dubai or Turkey

If China can fake US legal tender coins and openly sell them on Ebay, they can easily fake a silly Tyler T grip.

MelvinWalker said:

If you ever see it? Really?

I just took this picture from three pieces of silver I ordered directly from China on Ebay...One is a one ounce .999 2016 US Silver Eagle, one is an 1884 Carson City Morgan silver dollar and the last one is a 1908 barber half.

All of them are 100% FAKE...These fakes are so good, that under a loupe they would fool most casual collectors. Ebay knows it and does nothing about it. The Eagle was $9, the silver dollar was $8 and the half dollar was $6 I believe. I keep seeing YouTube video about it, so I thought, they can't be THAT good, right? Wrong...I bought them to show how people good fakes are from China. They even put a few bag marks on the CC silver dollar for a little effect. The Barber half has some wear added commensurate to an average circulated coin of that vintage.

Want to see a fake Rolex so good it almost will fool a jeweler? I can show you that too....Made in either Dubai or Turkey

If China can fake US legal tender coins and openly sell them on Ebay, they can easily fake a silly Tyler T grip.

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You made my point.

Ameshawki said:

I was a big fan of Tyler's back in the 70's and 80's. Even then, supplies could be spotty. If I'm not mistaken the son is running the outfit and I think it's pretty much a one man show.

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...and I believe he has a day job. For some reason I think it's the son-in-law. But it matters little.

GypsmJim said:

You made my point.

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No, the point is that the fakes will be so good that you won't even know they are fake, that's the point....

That's how good the overseas counterfeiters are at reproducing sought after items.

326MOD10 said:

I said I would be done with this thread but I feel forced to say something as people take comments out of context and have poor reading comprehension.

NO, THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID

I said the company can't compete with the gotta have it now crowd. Nothing to do with the OP but just a fact.

I have never said this is the way to run a business or that if they defrauded anyone it was okay.

What I have said is these complaints have been around forever. I myself, as posted here, have waited 18 months for a couple. If you think all of a sudden it will be different then you are mistaken.

What is the old adage about the definition of insanity is not doing the same thing over and over again it is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

I also said in retrospect I understand why the OP did what he did in a later post. But I wouldn’t expect some big reform

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Sorry, didn’t mean to touch a nerve. Just repeating what you said. My reading comprehension is fine. Have a Better Weekend

The company doesn't accept credit card orders. Their website still lists expected delivery of 4-6 weeks.

I've been in this hobby for decades. I have several T-Grips I have picked up over the years, but the only reason I am familiar with the wait time and communication fiasco is someone decided to buy me one as a gift. It took about a year and no attempts at correspondence ever received a reply.

I imagine there are lots of folks out there that have never seen these threads. You usually find them because you are already frustrated.

To blame someone for not adequately researching their purchase of a product that has been around since the classic days of revolvers from a company who claims to be an "American Heritage in Firearm Accessories" seems pretty bold.

I would love to buy a several Tyler T's for my N frame Smiths.
Was also excited when they announced online ordering with credit cards. That was back in 2023 and no more updates.

I just pulled out my check book to see when I ordered mine: 5/12/24. The check cleared on 5/24/24 and I still haven't received it. I contacted them twice last year and never got a reply.

I'm sure Mr Tyler was a good man and I'm glad he made these fine products. But whoever is cashing the checks these days is bringing shame on the brand. If you don't have time to make or ship the products just stop accepting money. Put a banner on the web page saying you aren't accepting orders at this time.

@Law Dog, Im sorry to tell you but your friend Melvin has passed away. Stop being an appologist for his theif nephew.

What generally puts a stop to business operations like this, is a visit from "Action News consumer reporter" sticking a microphone in their face and then a post to youTube.

This explains why I see Tyler Ts on Ebay for over $100!!

elgatodeacero said:

@Law-dog I appreciate your view point and comments, though I believe you are coming off a little strong. Your negativity is not well founded, and while I certainly respect your life experience, keep in mind you are not the only attorney on this forum.

I assure you I have more than complied with the terms of my contract with Tyler, and it is all very well documented.

Based on my communications with the OK AG, I also have every confidence that the Consumer Division of the OK AG’s office is taking the matter seriously and will assist me in obtaining a resolution despite the fact that I am not a resident of Oklahoma.

I look forward to providing the forum with an update when the matter comes to a conclusion, and I am hopeful my experience will serve as a gentle nudge to Tyler to repair their business model.

I am also hopeful the path I have suggested for others will be an efficient, low cost method to obtain refunds if that is what someone wants to do.

I do not have any reason to believe the Tyler folks are bad or evil or crooked, my sense is they are just busy with life and work and all the things we all deal with everyday. I do feel the Tyler folks need to direct a little bit more attention to their T-Grip business, and I think if they just listed these adapters on their website or on EBay as they were manufactured and skipped the advance deposit and endless waiting with no communication, they would significantly increase customer satisfaction and the profitability of their business.

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I just think you are being petty and wasting time of government resources. Everybody on this forum and every gun forum is well aware that Melvin Tyler and Melvin Tyler Jr have both long since passed. I do not recall what year he shut down, but it would have been maybe 1986 or so, And everyone on the planet learned that long ago.

This very forum has discussed it forever. In fact an excellent article comparing the competition is presented for your review here. In fact the author made a special plea back then asking people not to waste their time bashing the old guy. Note. He asked that people not comment about delays in getting their products. As I said, everybody on any gun forum has known about this for decades. You may be the only one that did not, I dunno. Here is what he said in 2022.





He also posted numerous pictures comparing the other brands and if you read any of the old posts on this forum, most people did not have a preference and many like the new ones much better.



My point is very simple, I spent much of my life in law enforcement and many years as a prosecutor, working 60 hours a week trying to put evil and dangerous people in jail. And you come up with this crusade to try and have this old guy criminally prosecuting for being a krappy business person, I find that a bit morally lacking. If your campaign works, at least one investigator and one Assistant Attorney H General is going to spend a bunch of their time getting this case ready for prosecution. That is the way it works. If they take it to a grand jury, then dozens of people will hear the evidence while a special Assistant Attorney General will present all the complaints you get people to file to the Grand Jury and then they will decide to charge him. If you are successfull and really lucky they will haul him down to jail and let him post a bond. And the next Monday, he will post bond, and have two hearings before a trial is set. Of course he will hire an attorney and they will try and reach a deal which will include you getting all or some of your money back.

Or, if this pushes him over the edge, it happens in these small cases, he can just go bankrupt and start all over. If he happens to file bankruptcy, you may never get a dime, but of course you can take pride in being that guy that took him down.

Just my opinion. You are welcome to your own. I just have a higher set of morals and object to people who use the limited resources of law enforcement for their own personal vengeance.

So, you have a good life. And please keep us posted about how successful you are. I am sure your kids will be proud of your leadership in shutting down these crooked business enterprise.

Not meaning to offend, but I am old and I have seen lots of problems in society where law enforcement and prosecution money is used for rather simple issues, while people are being raped and assaulted and so on. And these cases take that money and time away from those cases.

By the way, I just ordered 3 of the competition just today. They will be here in a week.





My 2 cents. Live your life anyway you want, I will do the same.

GypsmJim said:

I have personally had similar long waits, but in the end I got what I wanted.

In no way am I excusing their poor business practices. Maybe they should simply go out of business and be done with it.

Also, in no way am I criticizing the competitors product. It is a good product and their service is exemplary.

However, IMHO, if I want to put a grip adaptor on my Revolver it will only be a Tyler.

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Borderboss said:

Tyler T-Grips continues to be a bad company in business ripping people off because there are too many apologists out there. If you purport to make a product and you take money for that product, then you d*mn well better produce that product!!! There is absolutely no excuse.

Tyler should have been out of business years ago and the owner in jail for fraud. As long as people continue to enjoy being defrauded, Tyler will continue to exist to dupe the next knucklehead.

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Well you can say that. But when people order something knowing very specifically that there is no set date (1) when it will be manufactured and (2) when it will be shipped, they we call that the big boys and big girls rule. I will post it again. In law it is an agreement or contract, nobody is forced to agree to it, in contract law, we call this an offer to get in line for one of a kind historic product. That offer is accepted when a person sends money and gets in line to wait for that product to one day be produced and then shipped. Simple deal, read it 2 or 3 times, it is complicated for some. So, it this the get in line contract you signed to get one once they were produced at some time in the future? If so, what is your complaint?

Law-dog said:

Tell us what federal crime is involved here.

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When you cashed a check for a product well over a year ago, pocketed the money, haven't sent the product that you accepted payment for, and you won't respond to any form of communication, including a demand for a refund, I think there's a few different Law-dogs in the country who might think a record of doing that suggests you're a scammer... whether USPS or local LEOs.

You of course can argue it's just civil, not fraud. You definitely won't get any action by doing nothing in response to such indifference.

Ask Jonathan Ciener how that works - he operated like was the model for how Tyler is operating today from what customers here and elsewhere are reporting. I think it was multiple charges for minor acts of fraud.

Sheriff Arrests Jonathan Arthur Ciener On Fraud Charges

But hey... once they've engaged a lawyer, gone through processing... whether or not it goes to trial, the scammer might decide it is easier to act like a businessman than a grifter.

This is not my issue. But if some business who has cashed my check and isn't heard from by a year later, I'm going to use all legitimate means to make them at least as annoyed as they've annoyed me. Among the options are both civil and criminal complaints.

They can argue they're not actually fraudsters as they appear to be.