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S&W 38, No model number behind the yoke. Several patent dates stamped on top of the barrel. S&W 38 MIL stamped on the side of the barrel. Serial number: 87XXX all numbers, no letters. Does have a screw in the front of the trigger guard. Large S&W trademark logo stamped on the side. Grandpa carried it in the 60’s when he was the Constable. Any information you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
 

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Serial number would indicate about 1906-1907 for a Military and Police, which it appears to be. I confess that barrel marking is something I am not familiar with. I am fully confident that somebody with much better info than I will be along soon.
 
Serial number would indicate about 1906-1907 for a Military and Police, which it appears to be. I confess that barrel marking is something I am not familiar with. I am fully confident that somebody with much better info than I will be along soon.
Thank you sir. The only things I’m sure of is it’s plenty old, it appears to have lived a pretty rough life and I wish it could talk!
 
Welcome to the Forum.

You have a Model of 1902. It has been nickeled outside of the factory and the stocks have been replaced with jigged bone. The originals would most likely have been hard rubber

The .38 Military carriage was also known as the .38 Long Colt. S&W wasn't going to put "Colt" on the side of one of their revolvers.

Smith & Wesson lengthened the .38 Long Colt round, added more powder and thus the .38 S&W Special was born. Your granddaddy's revolver may or may not have been delivered with the longer chambers.

BTW, Colt wasn't going to put "S&W" on their revolvers either. The .38 Colt Special was the same as the S&W version, except that the bullet had a flat tip, as opposed to the round nose of the .38 S&W Special.
 
Welcome to the Forum. Collectors call your revolver a 38 Hand Ejector, Military & Police Model 1905, 1st Change revolver. Factory called these round butt guns a 38 Military Model 1902. The 1902 vs 1905 model names occur in 1905 when the factory started making square butt revolvers. The factory called the square butt gun a Model 1905 which carried on for the next 10 years.

The bore of a 38 MIL(Long Colt) was the same as the 38 Special round, so barrel could be used with a 38 Special cylinder installed. I have a 38 Special Model 1899 with a 38 MIL barrel that was left over from a government contract. An issue arises when using an old military contract barrel on a post-1902 frame and that is the factory increased the thread size to .540" from .500" with the introduction of the 1st Change Model 1902? Your barrel should have a .540" thread at window of the cylinder frame. I believe that there was a small military contract during the manufacture of this model, so that may be where the barrel could have come from.

Could you look at the barrel flat on the bottom for a serial number and a "B"? Also, if you have any 38 Special ammo, check to see if it loads in the cylinder? I have a #80,884 that shipped from the factory in June 1906.
 
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Welcome to the Forum. Collectors call your revolver a 38 Hand Ejector, Military & Police Model 1905, 1st Change revolver. Factory called these round butt guns a 38 Military Model 1902. The 1902 vs 1905 model names occur in 1905 when the factory started making square butt revolvers. The factory called the square butt gun a Model 1905 which carried on for the next 10 years.

The bore of a 38 MIL(Long Colt) was the same as the 38 Special round, so barrel could be used with a 38 Special cylinder installed. I have a 38 Special Model 1899 with a 38 MIL barrel that was left over from a government contract. An issue arises when using an old military contract barrel on a post-1902 frame and that is the factory increased the thread size to .540" from .500" with the introduction of the 1st Change Model 1902? Your barrel should have a .540" thread at window of the cylinder frame. I believe that there was a small military contract during the manufacture of this model, so that may be where the barrel could have come from.

Could you look at the barrel flat on the bottom for a serial number and a "B"? Also, if you have any 38 Special ammo, check to see if it loads in the cylinder? I have a #80,884 that shipped from the factory in June 1906.
There is a B stamped there. I did find some 38 special and it seems to load just fine.
 
There is a B stamped there. I did find some 38 special and it seems to load just fine.
The "B" just means the revolver left the factory as a blued gun. Is there any number on the barrel behind the B? Interesting barrel because there were no major contracts with the government using the 1st Change barrels, except for a shipment of 25 to Newport News Naval base. Suppose that barrel could have been a leftover at the factory.
 
I’m kinda torn, but that’s what he had on there so they’ll stay.
Since the gun is not original, I think no reason to try for original grips. It would just be wrong finish with correct grips. Plus the grips have more of a cool factor than original. And like you said, what Grandpa had on it.
 
The "B" just means the revolver left the factory as a blued gun. Is there any number on the barrel behind the B? Interesting barrel because there were no major contracts with the government using the 1st Change barrels, except for a shipment of 25 to Newport News Naval base. Suppose that barrel could have been a leftover at the factory.

No sir, just the letter B and the serial number on that part of the gun.
 
Welcome to the Forum. Collectors call your revolver a 38 Hand Ejector, Military & Police Model 1905, 1st Change revolver. Factory called these round butt guns a 38 Military Model 1902. The 1902 vs 1905 model names occur in 1905 when the factory started making square butt revolvers. The factory called the square butt gun a Model 1905 which carried on for the next 10 years.

The bore of a 38 MIL(Long Colt) was the same as the 38 Special round, so barrel could be used with a 38 Special cylinder installed. I have a 38 Special Model 1899 with a 38 MIL barrel that was left over from a government contract. An issue arises when using an old military contract barrel on a post-1902 frame and that is the factory increased the thread size to .540" from .500" with the introduction of the 1st Change Model 1902? Your barrel should have a .540" thread at window of the cylinder frame. I believe that there was a small military contract during the manufacture of this model, so that may be where the barrel could have come from.

Could you look at the barrel flat on the bottom for a serial number and a "B"? Also, if you have any 38 Special ammo, check to see if it loads in the cylinder? I have a #80,884 that shipped from the factory in June 1906.
This one is stamped: B 87,034
 
Mine is 90k serial range with a lanyard ring and the transitional 38 special and us Military cartridge marked barrel. Also has a 6.5 inch barrel. Original blue finish and last patent marking is 1901. 3k higher serial number.
 

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S&W 38, No model number behind the yoke. Several patent dates stamped on top of the barrel. S&W 38 MIL stamped on the side of the barrel. Serial number: 87XXX all numbers, no letters. Does have a screw in the front of the trigger guard. Large S&W trademark logo stamped on the side. Grandpa carried it in the 60’s when he was the Constable. Any information you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
A historians letter might prove interesting, might add more to the history of this particular revolver.
 
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