Has the Scout Rifle Outlived it's Hey Day?

I feel like the scout rifle idea at its genesis was peak “Jeff Cooper has become a hack”. Sure, they’re sensible in isolation…but then you remember .30-30 exists, that people at the time literally had barrels of excellent surplus bolt action rifles, and that sporterized rifles were as common as running salmon…this was always a silly idea to sell more rifles.

Back to the present though, a “scout” rifle in a manual action is a lot more Democrat-proof than an AR or AK pattern.
 
Regrettably, in this day and age, I don’t think any firearm is “Democrat-proof.” One need only look at what has gone on in England and Australia, and is underway now in Canada. We are subject to the same lunacy if the majority favors it, and our courts don’t take action to forbid it.

One might sympathize with the “Jeff Cooper has become a hack” notion IF thinking in terms of the Steyr Scout. Generally, it’s a nicely made weapon. Mine is certainly very accurate and has a superb trigger action, but it really fails to meet the most basic Scout requirement - handiness. The Steyr does incorporate a few of Mr. Cooper’s less important but “desirable” features that one might describe as gadgets, such as the folding, VERY rudimentary iron sights, the integral folding bipod, and the separate box magazine stored in the stock. (Mercifully, they did not see fit to incorporate a huge, ridiculous box magazine - as in the Ruger. 🙄)

Mr. Cooper might have avoided this “hack” perception, to a certain extent, if he had not associated himself so directly with the Steyr product, but I suppose by the time it went into production, it was too late for that. In any case, it remains that once the innumerable “desirable” gadgets had begun to clutter up the Scout concept, it’s imperative criteria (handiness) was set aside, at least in the Steyr, and the Scout concept had begun to drift away.

All taken into account, my little Model 7, which has no features that might influence a gadgeteer, certainly out-handies the Steyr, and powerful, light, short, and handy are, or should be, the essential requirements of a Scout. Those unduly frightened by the Remington extractor might recall that Mr. Cooper himself wrote that he had never experienced a failure, and perhaps his most successful Scout, on the Sako action, was not a CRF-action, yet he consistently wrote that it was better than it needed to be. 😊

All this JMHO.
 
Most riflemen like to theorize/fantasize about an ideal rifle. Mr. Cooper was among them. It’s a tough thing to actually achieve an ideal, and even tougher to get others to agree that your ideal really is ideal. 😊
 
The Scout Rifle became a thing because Cooper pumped the concept hard. Later, even he admitted it was never intended to be a one and done rifle. But rather a tool for specific circumstances, and people were misinterpreting the concept. A jack of all trades, but master of none

For myself, if it was all I had and I need a rifle, I'd be glad to have it. Other than that, I can think of any number of tools that fill that niche as well if not better.
 
The SR is an answer to an un ask question........NOBODY goes to war with a bolt action rifle with a pistol scope mounted halfway down the barrel.........NOBODY goes hunting with a pistol scope mounted down their firearm.......It's just a silly concept that the "cool kids" think they have to have...........Cooper was much more wrong than he was right.
 
Newly made factory rifles? Yes, it may be outdated.

But for some of us older folks, it is a wondrous concept for shooting beyond 100 yards, say, for veteran rifles of prior decades.

I have scout configuration on Swedish 96/38, Finn M39, Romanian M44, and Yugo M48. I am thankful for those rifles so equipped. YMMV
 
Pistol scope is an EER.
Extended Eye Relief

Scout scope is an IER.
Intermediate Eye Relief

The 458 uses a Leupold 2.5x28 IER, as well as the irons.
Short barreled single shot
scout rifle. 😜

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I've a Ruger SR 308 with a Leupold 2.5X EER mounted on it.

Pros, it works well in the woods and on the range out to 300 yds anyways. Not bad for a light rifle. Carries well either in the hand or slung. Very handy with no optics, weight wise. Can install a LPVO with removal of the rear sight if wanted.

Cons, the bolt is a little 'gummy' and may drag some when trying to operate quickly, but it always works.

Not meant for house clearing or LR precision. But it wasn't meant to be.
 
I didn't like Scouts at all, and never understood the point. Then I handled one, and got it.
The forward scope was QUICK on target. The best way I can explain it is it was like there was a reticle mounted at the front sight. Point the rifle at a target and my eye was looking at it through the reticle.

Yes, I know that's more or less how it works with any sighting system. Somehow to me, this seems different. I guess it feels like pointing with my finger but my finger has crosshairs.

For some, it might take a while to see it that way. Admittedly, I seem to have picked that up quicker than most. I have a feeling it's because I usually have trouble keeping both eyes open when shooting, but I practically can't make myself close one eye with this system. It forces me to do things right.

Is it worth the trouble? That's a good question. Scope choices are incredibly limited compared to conventional scopes.
Unless a rifle was built for a forward mounted scope, it is a project to make it happen.
Also, if you get early morning sun behind you it can wash out the scope.

But the forward scope is NOT A NECESSARY COMPONENT of a rifle for it to be called a Scout. This is a point many do not realize. A good set of peep sights count, per the definition by the guy who thought up the rifle.

Saying one doesn't like the Scout rifle because of the forward mounted scope is like saying you don't care for ARs because you dislike red dot sights.
Agreed, folks who haven't wrung out the steyr just don't know.
 
Agreed, folks who haven't wrung out the steyr just don't know.

This is, to me, what Cooper was actually trying to clone.
 
The SR is an answer to an un ask question........NOBODY goes to war with a bolt action rifle with a pistol scope mounted halfway down the barrel.........NOBODY goes hunting with a pistol scope mounted down their firearm.......It's just a silly concept that the "cool kids" think they have to have...........Cooper was much more wrong than he was right.
This is an oft-cited example many people use to bash the Scout Rifle concept.
It’s also a great example showing some have never read the thoughts behind it before bashing it.

The Scout was never intended to be a military rifle.

Never.

It was meant to be a general purpose hunting rifle for the continental US. One could fight with it, but it wasn’t the intent. You could hunt groundhogs with it, but that’s also not its intent.

I hear you saying “But the name! He called it a SCOUT rifle!”.
He had to come up with a shorter name than General Purpose Hunting Rifle For The Continental US. Something a little catchier.

“But Scout is a military term, and he references military manuals for the description!”
Yes it’s a military term. It’s also a hunting term.
He used the manual reference because, in his words, the description of a someone using stealth to get close to his quarry seemed to fit.

Also-
The forward mounted scope (not a pistol scope) is not necessary to make a Scout rifle a Scout rifle. A conventionally mounted low power scope or a peep sight was fine also.
 
The SR is an answer to an un ask question........NOBODY goes to war with a bolt action rifle with a pistol scope mounted halfway down the barrel.........NOBODY goes hunting with a pistol scope mounted down their firearm.......It's just a silly concept that the "cool kids" think they have to have...........Cooper was much more wrong than he was right.
I did and do as I have several . You sir could not carry Mr. Coopers **** bucket.
 
At the time the survival rifle was a real concept. The scout was a Jack of all trades including defense. A bolt action rifle will do the same as it did in 2 world wars and that is kill at range.
 
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