1006 10mm Label question
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I have no idea and never seen that before!
I think the key to finding your answer lies in the 108281 product code. In the SCSW5, it is not listed. I cannot located my SCSW4 to see if maybe it is listed there.
I would guess that given the date on the Spec Ord, that seems like an early pistol to have the newer white followers. Maybe a previous owner updated the magazine followers. I would have expected the yellow followers.
Certainly an interesting find.
I think the key to finding your answer lies in the 108281 product code. In the SCSW5, it is not listed. I cannot located my SCSW4 to see if maybe it is listed there.
I would guess that given the date on the Spec Ord, that seems like an early pistol to have the newer white followers. Maybe a previous owner updated the magazine followers. I would have expected the yellow followers.
Certainly an interesting find.
cherrypointmarine
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Just looked at my 4th edition , not listed in there .
One of the product codes listed with the model 1076 is 108282 indicating. Commercial FBI, with magazine safety and night sights. 4th edition.
Frank Black
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Yes, the white followers are misleading. Any early 1006 would have come with mags with yellow followers.
Ser.# TFJ 0028 puts production in 1989, if I'm not mistaken. Someone swapped those yellow followers out for the later, 'upgraded' white ones.
I'd want to know if the mags are stamped 'ES' on the front panel.
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I was under the impression that the very first S&W 10xx pistols shipped in 1990. These guns started with a TEN serial prefix.
TEN would have been close to the letters they had been using at that time, I guess they thought TEN was cute. I think it was a silly idea, but I'm sure many disagree.
I don't think we had any S&W 10mm guns in 1989.
TEN would have been close to the letters they had been using at that time, I guess they thought TEN was cute. I think it was a silly idea, but I'm sure many disagree.
I don't think we had any S&W 10mm guns in 1989.
I saw that also and if you dig around enough you can also find the 108282 being used on a circa 2009 S&W 1911 pistol. This would be a pre-E Series gun, but after the early "billboard" SW1911 pistols.
I had one and it was a great pistol!
Frank Black
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@Sevens check out this link below. … A 'TFJ' prefixed 1006 linked to 1989 production:
S&W didn't ship 10XX-series guns in order of serial # but just in terms of how many were needed to fill an order. 10 guns, 50 guns, … or 250 guns in the case of a department or agency order.
That's one reason the so-called 'FBI prefixes' for Bureau 1076s are inconsistent. There's no one prefix for all 1076 ordered by the Bureau since there were at least three batch shipments of 1076s from S&W to the FBI.
FWIW, my own 1006 is TET 19XX which makes it a 1990 gun.
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Mine is a mid-January 1990 gun with a TFB prefix.
@Frank Black, my mags do have the "ES" stamping, can you enlighten me on the significance of this, please
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@Frank Black, my mags do have the "ES" stamping, can you enlighten me on the significance of this, please
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Frank Black
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Yes, it means the 'ES'-stamped mags are early 10XX-series mags and should have yellow followers. They are correct for an early 10XX gun in the series, ... 'early' meaning by serial # in the production sequence.
Later mags were stamped 'ES-1'. At that point, they came with white followers. Still later 10XX mags were stamped 'MS-1.' Those also came with white followers. There is likely some overlap in the transition from yellow to white followers.
Bought from MidwayUSA circa 2005-6, I have two NIB 'ES-1' stamped mags and one NIB 'MS-1' stamped mag. All have white followers. The plastic boxes they're in have never been opened.
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That old discussion is an entertaining one, it's always funny to look back 10-15 years and hear guys lose their minds over prices when we know the market as we do today. 
I'm not convinced anything in that thread has me believing that S&W built any production 10xx pistols in 1990, but as we all know quite well, "with S&W, anything is possible."
I'm not convinced anything in that thread has me believing that S&W built any production 10xx pistols in 1990, but as we all know quite well, "with S&W, anything is possible."
Frank Black
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I think it's accurate to say that 1006 production started in very late 1989 with most of the TEN- thru TFF- 1006s coming out in 1990.That old discussion is an entertaining one, it's always funny to look back 10-15 years and hear guys lose their minds over prices when we know the market as we do today.
I'm not convinced anything in that thread has me believing that S&W built any production 10xx pistols in 1990, but as we all know quite well, "with S&W, anything is possible."
The TFJ-prefix 1006s like the OP's, or some number of them, could've been a special order/run made for testing purposes ... hence the "field school" reference on the box? Just a guess.
The Spec Ord Code of 1035 would imply Feb 1991 - Also can track lots of TFH, TFJ, TFK prefix 3rd gen pistols running from mid 1990 to very late 1990. As to the 108281, there is at least one more 1006 TFJ sold "Used" with a 608281 product code
Yeah, I don't think we can get further than guessing. It's frustrating. It's especially frustrating in my opinion because it's not like we are searching for records from before the Great War. I was in frickin' high school and while I am no spring chicken, I'm still a youngin' on this forum. 
I'm certain there must exist some folks who remember so many of these details that most probably find mundane, but to some of us, this is very interesting history and it's going to be lost.
I'm certain there must exist some folks who remember so many of these details that most probably find mundane, but to some of us, this is very interesting history and it's going to be lost.
Frank Black
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I guess we get back to the age old question as to what the Spec. Ord. Code (SOC) is supposed to represent.
Is it the actual build date (i.e., the day a factory armorer finished building the gun) or the shipment date (the day the built gun left the factory for wherever).
Obviously guns could've been built much earlier in time than they were actually shipped. They would've been boxed up, put aside until an order came in, then labelled after receiving an order, and then shipped.
If that's what the SOC means, then you could've had very early 1006 models built in late 1989 but not shipped out until 1990-91, depending on the volume of orders received.
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This may be totally wrong...
S&W offered an off-site LE armorer's course. During that course, students each assembled a gun under the close supervision of the instructor. At the conclusion of the course, you had the option of buying the gun you assembled. This could be such an example.
But, I have been wrong in the past. It will probably happen again.
S&W offered an off-site LE armorer's course. During that course, students each assembled a gun under the close supervision of the instructor. At the conclusion of the course, you had the option of buying the gun you assembled. This could be such an example.
But, I have been wrong in the past. It will probably happen again.
Would be cool but I have never heard of S&W offering such a thing. We have had numerous S&W armorers and a few employees post here and none have talked about something of that nature but maybe.
The best explanation I have heard, (and I cannot find proof of it…) is the Spec Order code usually shows a four digit number that tells us when that particular gun was boxed up or otherwise "prepared for sale/distribution."
Some could be boxed and shelved. Some could be shipped immediately.
I think it is safe to say whether you call, e-mail or pay for a historical letter, the date we decode from Spec Order is going to be either slightly different or radically different from the date S&W gives back to you after inquiry.
I think in the bulk of cases, it's going to be nearly the same, within a few days.
One of the questions I would ask if one day we all got to meet the Wizard of Oz would be… why are some few some certain guns making use of a Spec Order code that is quite obviously NOT the date or any date? There's lots of room on the printed box end label, doesn't make a lot of sense to use one field "kinda mostly" a certain way.
A conspiracy theorist might suggest that some gremlin inside S&W just cackles endlessly when he sees our conversations.
Frank Black
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Well, I'm about to burn $100 for a Jinx letter on a recent 1076 acquisition. It has some indications of being an LE 1076 although maybe not a Bureau 1076.
True.
I like this theory.A conspiracy theorist might suggest that some gremlin inside S&W just cackles endlessly when he sees our conversations.
I would think S&W would want to box & label a finished product once. If they manufactured it & then it sat around for months, or longer, before shipping it would have to be boxed & labeled in some fashion for storage & accountability. Seems the "manufactured & boxed date" would make better sense especially if a production change or revision came out after it was manufactured so those affected could be identified.
I suspect the overwhelming majority of products shipped to a distributor or a dealer where it sat around more. And the warranty starts on the consumer's purchase date which could be even a lot longer.
I don't see where the "shipped from the factory date" is meaningful, on the box, or why they would have wanted to do it that way. Thoughts?
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I suspect the overwhelming majority of products shipped to a distributor or a dealer where it sat around more. And the warranty starts on the consumer's purchase date which could be even a lot longer.
I don't see where the "shipped from the factory date" is meaningful, on the box, or why they would have wanted to do it that way. Thoughts?
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