That is VERY unfair, since Hodgdon uses a 10" test barrel for velocity, not a 4" model 19 like in the real world
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What is the advantage to the 357 Sig??
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venomballistics
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Might be skewed, probably is. but it takes more than barrel length differences to make a 500 fps spread.
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The 327 Fed Mag is suppose to come close to 357 Mag also. I can crank a 115 gr bullet at very high velocities out of 2" sbub but it is not a 357 Mag, I consider it more of a 9 MM +P+.
It's all a small fast, big slow space time continuum thing!
How about a 135 gr JHP in a 40 SW!
Looking at Hodgdon and Speer, Hornady data one can crank a 40 SW at the same velocity as a 357 Sig give or take. I do not see much difference. If indeed the Sig has less recoil that would be a benefit for sure. Guess that is why I never messed with it and have to deal with yet another caliber.
It's weird but.....
I feel in my bones that a necked down pistol round won't be very popular. It seems "foreign" or something. I may be wrong but I'm just feeling the pulse of society.
I feel in my bones that a necked down pistol round won't be very popular. It seems "foreign" or something. I may be wrong but I'm just feeling the pulse of society.
I haven't had so much fun...
I haven't had so much fun popping water bottles since I was a kid with cherry bombs. That's my idea of a 'reactive target'.
I haven't had so much fun popping water bottles since I was a kid with cherry bombs. That's my idea of a 'reactive target'.
venomballistics
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Yeah ... The first argument is loss of round count over a 9mm.I feel in my bones that a necked down pistol round won't be very popular. It seems "foreign" or something. I may be wrong but I'm just feeling the pulse of society.
Yet nobody pitches a fit over a 308 rifle saying that it's a loss over 30 carbine
I've read that it is a challenge to reload. I think the issue is the neck area is very short, and it is difficult to get enough neck tension to securely hold the bullet.
Almost all of them
BigMoneyGrip
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A few years ago, when it was hard to find pistol ammo, you could get all of the 357SIG you wanted. Thats the way it was around hear anyway. I love my GLOCK 33. That is a hot little gun!
novalty
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A 40 S&W vs 357 Sig. debate? Hmmmm
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Per Speer they have specific bullets with longer driving band for the Sig rather than just regular 9mm bullets, Using a 147 gr bullet also helps. (so I have read)
Speer Gold Dot Bullets 357 Sig 38 Super (355 Diameter) 125 Grain
Loading the .357 Sig - MassReloading
Real Guns - .357 SIG handloads...controlling headspace
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novalty
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Nice colors
But how is the 357 Sig for Bears???
Sorry there was not a green color choice
If you can't tell, I don't like either the 40S&W or 357 Sig. So from my stand point having to choose between the two, I would say the 40S&W would be the least disliked.
1. Not necked down
2. Less costly if you are buying factory
3. Brass is more widely available for the 40 (aka free range pickings)
4. I expect the .357 Sig to disappear from mass production in chamberings like the .327 Federal Magnum and 40 Action Express.
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Exactly
And they have a higher sectional density than all similar weight 40 caliber projectiles
The proof of that is in post #15
We know you LOVE your 40 S&W
You need to re-read my posts.
I NEVER made the blanket statement that the 357SIG is considerably better than the 40 S&W
You sound like you missed the phrase "for Highway Patrol work, the 357SIG is far better" in my earlier post
No single cartridge is KING. Each cartridge has different characteristics that make it better suited for different specific roles
For Example:
Is 44 Magnum a better cartridge than 22 LR?
Yes if you are hunting wild Boar.
No if you are getting rid of the Possum tearing apart your garbage
I don't know about dat..Ol Pogo..he can take a lotta lead. LOL.
I had a 40..gone now thankfully. Also had a 357 Sig. Reminded me of a 30 Mauser or 30 Luger. In other words...almost useless in MY opinion. The 357 Sig is not even close to what the 357 Mag has always been. For Po-Leece work it just gives more round count for the officer. As does the 9mm and the 40. Better cartridges?? Again in MY opinion. nuh uh! Not even close! But I guess they are adequate with the newer bullets available...but they have newer better bullets for the 357 and 45 auto too. I am also of the old school on the 30-06/308/45 auto class of cartridges for military use over the 223/9mm. Bigger is definitely better for the intended use.
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Of course I does dis-remember Pogo. But I doubt too many do. I was just talking to a friend from Md last night who asked me about some odd droppings he had found on his place. He described 'em and I asked if he still had some persimmon trees on his place. When he told me yep and they were full of persimmons I reminded him of dem pogo's that just love persimmons. I like 'em too..after a frost of two hits 'em. I even used to trap 'em when I was a kid. Usually got better prices than mus -rats. Them and coons really liked sardines...hold the mustard
Wee Hooker
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Beyond what has already been mentioned here, I see two positive aspects to the 357 sig.
First, It has (so far) kept me from spending a butt-ton of money experimenting with the 38 super. The sig only required a barrel change in my .40S&W guns where the 38 super would have required a couple of new guns to properly experiment
Second, (and I know this is going in the opposite direction of the design goal)
the 357 sig handloads down nicely to 9mm performance levels. This (again) allows for getting more out of one gun with just a simple barrel change.
That's my reasoning and I'm sticking to it!
First, It has (so far) kept me from spending a butt-ton of money experimenting with the 38 super. The sig only required a barrel change in my .40S&W guns where the 38 super would have required a couple of new guns to properly experiment
Second, (and I know this is going in the opposite direction of the design goal)
the 357 sig handloads down nicely to 9mm performance levels. This (again) allows for getting more out of one gun with just a simple barrel change.
That's my reasoning and I'm sticking to it!
TAROMAN
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And it makes one helluva fireball when loaded with Blue Dot!
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