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Picked up a 7.5” srh yesterday, couldn’t pass it up.

Anyway, I have 20 pieces of once fired hornady brass. Have 500 starlines ordered.

I’m looking for a 1200-1400fps load to use up the 250gr xtps I have. I have 300gr mags for use in heavy duty 454 and 460 loads. Once the xtps are gone, I’m going to try 300+ grain gc hard cast for this velocity range.

I’ve scoured and other than Freedom Arms data, not much in the way of data. I’m thinking unique, hp38, and maybe cfe pistol. I have bullseye as well, but I’m not willing to risk it. And 2400 downloaded is just filthy, not a fan.

Anyway, does 11-14gr unique, 11-13.2gr hp38 sound unreasonable? This is in Casull brass, don’t have 45 colt brass.
 
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Hodgdon's reloading site doesn't list ANY date for HP-38/W231. Way too mild of powder

Hornady 9th edition put 240XTP with 2400, minimun load 30.0 gr @1600fps!

Lyman 49th edition puts Lyman 452651 (linotype alloy) W/GC sized .451"

Primer: CCI Small Rifle Mag. 450

2400 19.8@1188-22,0 @ 1316
Unique 11.3@1176- 12,6 @1181
W296 [email protected]@1338
4227 [email protected]@1345

The 4227 26.5@1345fps is compressed AND the most accurate in Lyman's test 6" Universal Receiver

For the slow jacketed velocities you should try 45 COLT loadings.

Ivan

You may or may not get the XTP velocities you're looking for using a compressed charged of FFFg Black Powder!
 
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Dfish1247 said:
Picked up a 7.5” srh yesterday, couldn’t pass it up.



Anyway, I have 20 pieces of once fired hornady brass. Have 500 starlines ordered.



I’m looking for a 1200-1400fps load to use up the 250gr xtps I have. I have 300gr mags for use in heavy duty 454 and 460 loads. Once the xtps are gone, I’m going to try 300+ grain gc hard cast for this velocity range.



I’ve scoured and other than Freedom Arms data, not much in the way of data. I’m thinking unique, hp38, and maybe cfe pistol. I have bullseye as well, but I’m not willing to risk it. And 2400 downloaded is just filthy, not a fan.



Anyway, does 11-14gr unique, 11-13.2gr hp38 sound unreasonable? This is in Casull brass, don’t have 45 colt brass.
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Stick with h110,imr 4227 or 2400 others will erode your forcing cone faster besides they will be most accurate with a heavy crimp

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H110, 4227, 2400, and No. 9 are all good for hotter loads. Unique, Universal, and Power Pistol ( my favorite) work well for midrange loads. I would stay away from Win231 / HP38 in that big case unless you want to make some light loads.
 
Dfish1247 said:
Picked up a 7.5” srh yesterday, couldn’t pass it up.



Anyway, I have 20 pieces of once fired hornady brass. Have 500 starlines ordered.



I’m looking for a 1200-1400fps load to use up the 250gr xtps I have. I have 300gr mags for use in heavy duty 454 and 460 loads. Once the xtps are gone, I’m going to try 300+ grain gc hard cast for this velocity range.



I’ve scoured and other than Freedom Arms data, not much in the way of data. I’m thinking unique, hp38, and maybe cfe pistol. I have bullseye as well, but I’m not willing to risk it. And 2400 downloaded is just filthy, not a fan.



Anyway, does 11-14gr unique, 11-13.2gr hp38 sound unreasonable? This is in Casull brass, don’t have 45 colt brass.
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Don't use 45 colt brass in your 454 cylinder it will damage your cylinder and viod warranty if you have one just a heads up if you weren't aware ?

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you will not void rugers warranty using 45 colt ammo in your gun, but if you don't thoroughly clean your chambers after shooting 45 colt ammo you can experience extraction problems and the crud ring will raise pressures as the longer 454 round expands to release the bullet.
 
505Gibbs said:
A simple Google search for the data should work.
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All I can find is either anemic Trailboss loads or Tyrannosaurus class hunting loads. FA website has been the one hit so far. And it falls in line with sane thinking, I’ll come up with a stiff load as well, but I don’t want beat to death all the time. I’m figuring moderate 454 in terms of recoil equates to heavy 44 recoil, which doesn’t bother me in the srh, it’s far more comfortable to me than the 629 with heavy loads.


I figured more moderate loads would exist than what does given how rough the recoil is in this cartridge. Granted, it was meant for dangerous game hunting, but still, ought to be something. 357,41, and 44 all have something, why not this? Is it not just a 45 colt magnum?

I will say that moderate velocity with 454 means redefining moderate velocity somewhat given how fast the heavy hitters fly vs the 357,41, and 44.
 
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Don't use 45 colt brass in your 454 cylinder it will damage your cylinder and viod warranty if you have one just a heads up if you weren't aware ?

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Why in the world would you say that? It is flat out not true. If you actually read the manual, it explicitly says that 45 Colt can be fired in the 454. Yes, you do have to clean the chambers, but so what?
 
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Why in the world would you say that? It is flat out not true. If you actually read the manual, it explicitly says that 45 Colt can be fired in the 454. Yes, you do have to clean the chambers, but so what?
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Why because I personally know the head gunsmith there for about 25 or so years and that's what he says call the factory if you don't believe me ?

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The OP mentions a Ruger Super Redhawk. I believe you’re referring to Freedom Arms when you talk about voided warranties.

The February 2022 issue of Handloader magazine has a Pet Loads article by Brian Pearce on the 454. Several recipes in the mid-range loadings.

Dan
 
I'm so glad I didn't post earlier... 231/HP38 really are not true Magnum powders.

Try Longshot or True Blue load data for the less powerful types, 296/H110 for full bore.

Don't ignore the 45 Colt "Ruger, etc., Only" load data, either...

Cheers!

P.S. No, shooting 45 Colts won't void a Ruger Warranty.
 
STORMINORMAN said:
I'm so glad I didn't post earlier... 231/HP38 really are not true Magnum powders.

Try Longshot or True Blue load data for the less powerful types, 296/H110 for full bore.

Don't ignore the 45 Colt "Ruger, etc., Only" load data, either...

Cheers!

P.S. No, shooting 45 Colts won't void a Ruger Warranty.
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Hp38 is not a magnum powder at all, but it works for reduced loads. It really is for anemic to entry level moderate loads, I guess unique is the better choice here. And that’s what I’ll load this afternoon.

I’ll look at top end 45+p loads, see if anything perks my interest.

Reduced velocity in 454 casull is still magnum velocity by normal standards.

I’m not buying 45 colt brass, I tried that idea with 38 and 44 special, found I could do the same thing with magnum brass and thinned the brass stock out. I bet I’ll find the same thing here, a compromise of some sorts. I made peace with the fact this is gonna kick, part of life with a big cartridge.
 
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Interestingly, at our range they prohibit the use of Magnum pistol cartridges in the indoor range, so naturally I've loaded up my 38 & 44 Specials for that venue...

Being the absolute stickler for rules that I've become...:rolleyes:

Cheers!

P.S. Nothing wrong with using 454 Casull brass exclusively (when you can find any!)...
 
Wonder if you could shoot Linebaugh, Wyoming Express, or JRH there? It doesn’t say magnum,lol. But, you have to play by the rules

The range I go to is outdoor, only rule is no 50bmg. Biggest pest is having to run deer and turkeys off, who’d ever thought that’s the safest place to be a game animal.

Anyway, the scale is warming up, time to get loading.
 
I've got a Ruger Super Red Hawk Alaskan and the barrel is stamped .454 Casull - .45 Colt, so there's obviously no concern about voiding the warranty or danger with firing .45 Colt in this gun.

I've loaded lots of reduced loads for this gun in .454 Casull brass using data from the Speer Manual (True Blue powder) and the Freedom Arms website (linked in Post #3 above). Freedom Arms gives data using Bullseye, Unique, and HP-38 for loads in the 850-1200 ft/sec range. These are very pleasant to shoot.
 
muzzlestuffer2012 said:
Why because I personally know the head gunsmith there for about 25 or so years and that's what he says call the factory if you don't believe me ?

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No, I don't belive you. I have the exact Ruger Super Redhawk that the OP has. Ruger's manual for the SRH explicitly says you can shoot 45 Colt in it. Try reading it. The cylinder for the SRH 454 is made from Carpeter Steel and proof tested to 92,000 psi without a scratch on it. No way a 45 colt would put a dent in that. I have no idea what other manufacturers say, but we are not talking about other manufacturers, we are talking about a Ruger SRH 454. Remember, reading is fundamental. I hate it when people push false info out, especially to those who are new to reloading.
 
Dfish1247 said:
I’m looking for a 1200-1400fps load to use up the 250gr xtps I have.
I’m thinking unique, hp38, and maybe cfe pistol.
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Personally I prefer Power Pistol for many of my reduced loads in magnum size cases as is not position sensitive but Handloader also listed CFE Pistol, among others.

Here's an excerpt from Handloader.

For the Hornady 250 XTP they only listed A5, True Blue & Longshot.

From:
Pet Loads 454 Casull, Handloading for Utility - Handloader #330

Freedom Arms Model 83 with a 7.5-inch barrel

250 Nosler Sporting JHP
COAL: 1.705"

Power Pistol
-grs-----mv--
13.0 @ 1,211
14.0 @ 1,286
15.0 @ 1,375 - max

CFE PISTOL
-grs------mv--
12.5 @ 1,186
13.0 @ 1,210 - max

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