1917 Commercial

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A very decent 1917 Commercial, shipped in May, 1926.
Not bad for 88 years! :D

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Have you ever thought about how WW I depleted the supply of walnut?
The 1920's grips are the plainest wood S&W had ever used, except for the military contract Model 1917's.
If you handle enough guns, you will eventually find some non-medallion grips that have shrunk and/or warped.
Still, in high condition, they can be quite attractive-

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The often obliterated penciled number, always on the upper half of the right grip-

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During WW I 1917 production, the yoke detent was dropped from the military guns. In military guns, you will sometimes find a yoke that is drilled but has no detent, and the frame is not dimpled for it. You can also find a dimpled frame with a yoke that is not drilled. There were probably some that had both drilled, but no detent was installed.
After the War, the yoke detent was again installed in the N frame guns, and this one has it-

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However, with this gun, they forgot one important detail- the frame is not dimpled for the detent to catch on!
Apparently, they didn't always make 'em like they used to even back in the Good Ole Days when they used to make 'em like they used to. ;) :D
Note the line that the detent has rubbed in the blue-

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I always found it interesting that military 1917's had the fouling cup. Why didn't they drop that early on as an expedient? 45 Ball ammo was ALWAYS loaded with smokeless powder and jacketed bullets, so it wasn't very necessary.
Did they drop it for later production? I honestly can't remember.
Do you have a military 1917 without the cup?

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Man, that's in way better shape then my commercial. What a nice gun.

I've never taken it apart to check the detent, never really thought about it before. I wonder if mine is the same thing.
 
The N frame detent continued to WW II.
I have not seen one post war.
 
A most impressive set of photos! Thanks. :)

This is probably a naïve question, as I've owned only one N-frame of that era, a .455 MK II, and don't recall that it had such a detent. That was years ago, and I may just not recall it, but I think it'd have stood out. I've handled a number of 1917's, but gather that they didn't have that feature, as per your post.

But where did the pin enter a hole on guns properly drilled to receive it? Would .38-44 guns and the prewar .357's have that pin? Is the dimple in the frame under the barrel?
 
But where did the pin enter a hole on guns properly drilled to receive it?
The dimple should/would have been at the end of the white wear line directly below the assembly number in the 9th and 10th pics above.
It holds the cylinder open while loading.

Below is a pic of an early K frame which also had them. It is obviously slightly more forward.

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All the 455s had them.
All commercial N frame models had them.
 
Incredible. It looks brand new. Just amazing condition. Enjoy!


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Were those detent plungers used on K-frames after about 1920? I seem to recall them being used on early M&P's. When would that have ended?
 
I hope I look that good when I am eighty-eight years old. Do you have any idea what that would of cost new back then?
 
I hope I look that good when I am eighty-eight years old. Do you have any idea what that would of cost new back then?


Bruce, I just checked a catalog D-3, ca. 1923. Price was $35.00. That's factory "list."
 
Thanks, but by the late 30s, the fouling cup was long gone.
Your Brazilian is a commercial flat top frame from the 37/38 contract, so it is a late 30s frame.
 
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