1917 Commercial

[mesaman]

Truly unique condition. I thought my 1917 Brazilian was rare until I saw this one. What really sets it off are the grips. Truly amazing. Thanks for generating the envy in us.

 

[yrkgns]

I date her younger sister



I don't know if she is quite as pretty !! But she is only 66 years old

 

[Twiki357]

Great pictures and a beautiful gun. And thanks for the info on the fouling cup. I just recently purchased my first pre 1920 S&W, an M&P K frame in 38 Special that dates to 1906. It has the fouling cup, something I had not previously encountered and was wondering what/why it is. Thanks.

 

[Texas Star]

So, when did the K-frame guns have that detent pin and pit? Until when?

Lee's post about the fouling cup made clear that the 1937 Brazilian .45's were made on new frames. I've heard conflicting opinions about that for years.

 

[handejector]

So, when did the K-frame guns have that detent pin and pit? Until when?

K frames had the detent from the 1899 till WW I. I'm not sure if any had it after the War. If they did, it didn't last far into the 20's.

Lee's post about the fouling cup made clear that the 1937 Brazilian .45's were made on new frames. I've heard conflicting opinions about that for years.

No, it does not.
I've posted many times about that.
There were two Brazilian contracts- 1937 and 1946.
The 1936 contract is built on the more modern flat top frames of the 1930's, and they look like commercial guns with bright blue and checkered medallion grips.
The 1946 guns were built on newly found WW I frames with round tops, satin blue, and smooth grips.

 

[Texas Star]

K frames had the detent from the 1899 till WW I. I'm not sure if any had it after the War. If they did, it didn't last far into the 20's.




No, it does not.
I've posted many times about that.
There were two Brazilian contracts- 1937 and 1946.
The 1936 contract is built on the more modern flat top frames of the 1930's, and they look like commercial guns with bright blue and checkered medallion grips.
The 1946 guns were built on newly found WW I frames with round tops, satin blue, and smooth grips.

Thanks. I knew about the 1946 guns being on older frames. And thanks for the info on the K-frames, which was about what I recollected. Wanted to be sure.

 

[gordonrick]

M&P K-frame 313625, ca. 1919, does not have the detent.

Would this have been eliminated with the 4th change in 1915?

 

[Malysh]

Outstanding

 

[dlidster]

. . . During WW I 1917 production, the yoke detent was dropped from the military guns. . .

My 1917 (sn 30xxx) would appear to have been made in 1917. It does have the yoke detent. Would this mean that this particular revolver was made early before production was considered war-time production?

 

[Wiregrassguy]

That's a beautiful 1917, Lee. My commercial shipped July 1932 and has the detent but no powder cup.

It's only a 1000 or so higher SN than yours.

I received my military 1917 with the detent spring but no detent. It has the powder cup.

My .455 HE/45 LC triplelock has the detent and the powder cup. And my .455 HE Commercial that shipped December 1917 has both detent and powder cup.

 

[Muley Gil]

Commercial 1917, serial number 180692, shipped in January 1936, has the fouling cup.

The frame is drilled for the detent.

This is a Frankensmith with the original barrel and has a replaced cylinder in the 165xxx range. It was polished, but not blued or nickeled.