Non relieved diamond target stocks

ghawke · Jan 29, 2016

Hello S&W forum,
Did S&W ever make non relieved target stocks for the K frame revolver? I have a set that fit a K frame better than an N frame, they will go on both, but on the N frame the side of the backstrap is exposed. Wondering if they were sanded down to fit a K frame, although it doesn't look like it to me. The stocks in question are the far left and far right in the pic.
Thanks for any comments,
Greg

yanici · Jan 29, 2016

Absolutely. My K38 made in 1949 had the non-relieved grips.

4barrel · Jan 29, 2016

Here are some. I don't think they are # to the gun?

glowe · Jan 29, 2016

Non-relieved target stocks were offered from late-1949 to 1955. on Masterpiece revolvers. The photo shows 2 early post-war Masterpiece revolvers with both non-relieved targets and the standard Magna stocks. Target stocks were extra cost and could be ordered with the gun or from the factory aftermarket. Very few if any are found with serial numbers stamped.

ghawke · Jan 29, 2016

Thanks guys,
after looking at your pictures I think mine are missing some wood on the bottom.
Greg

22hipower · Jan 29, 2016

If you use the search function at the top of the page (search site/Google) and enter K non-relieved targets or K frame cokes or comparable you'll get quite a bit of information back from previous posts. Most folks here argue that there are no K frame cokes, only N frame, although I'm not sure everyone is convinced. One of the arguments is that the non-relieved K frames don't show the same checkering patterns as those found on N frame cokes. Your picture, however, shows more checkering on the non-relieved ones. Makes me wonder if there weren't some S&W artisans in the early '50s copying the N frame cokes. Nice stocks and they feel great on a pre-17. Enjoy.

Jeff
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ghawke · Jan 29, 2016

22hipower, my K22 is the gun I was trying these stocks on. They do feel good. I am attaching pics with the original Magnas (number to gun) and the subject stocks. This K22 sn is K 696xx.
Thaks for the reply, I will check previous threads.
Greg

Engine49guy · Jan 29, 2016

As others have stated the "Non relieved" K diamond target stocks existed between around 1950 - 1955, As this pre dates Computer aided manufacturing Im guessing all stocks were made by human beings on man operated machines that would allow for slight variances .

In late 1955 the Combat Magnum is introduced and coincidentally target stocks with the new "Football relief cut" begin to appear,
Perhaps no coincidence as non relieved stocks tend to interfere with .38 Special case extraction and .357 cases are slightly longer.

S&W did not destroy old stock when a new design method was adopted so IMO there is a good chance some post 1955 K target revolvers shipped with non relieved stocks (especially smooth presentation stocks) until the supply of non relieved stocks was depleted.

SDH · Jan 31, 2016

Anyone willing to take a stab at the value of N frame non-relieved grips, in good condition?
I have a pair on my desk I'm thinking about selling...

gmborkovic · Jan 31, 2016

Hello SDH, I have seen mint, mint N non grips offered at $500 to $575.
Yours are good condition, I dont know?

Engine49guy · Jan 31, 2016

SDH said:
Anyone willing to take a stab at the value of N frame non-relieved grips, in good condition?
I have a pair on my desk I'm thinking about selling...

IMO N non relieved targets get a premium over K's and Smooth get a premium over checkered...

Pics are needed to give an estimate on value.

ghawke · Jan 31, 2016

As long we're talking about value, anyone want to comment on the K frame targets value that were in the original post.
Thanks,
Greg

SDH · Feb 1, 2016

Here's pic of my N frame grips, and on my 1950 Military.44...
Probably a bit nicer than "good" condition, one nick in the bottom, not really any extractor marks. No numbers.
What do you think they are worth?

22hipower · Feb 1, 2016

Nice, not sure of price, don't see them for sale very often. If they were mine I wouldn't take less than $300; likely wouldn't sell them at all. Enjoy.

Jeff
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gmborkovic · Feb 1, 2016

Mr. SDH, those are nice grips. All the diamonds are there and the upper horns look great. So, the sides, top and fit to the frame are beautiful. Now the bottom and edges. If I needed a set and saw those at a show, I would stop and talk at $400. If you are hot to move them put them on the Forum, if not leave them on the desk and appreciate they are well over 65 years old. Just my opinion, but Im old.

DWFAN · Feb 1, 2016

Somewhere north of $400 easy. Getting rid of the gap and the nick on the bottom also easy and I'm sure you could do it yourself.

Paul

ghawke · Feb 2, 2016

22hipower said:
Nice, not sure of price, don't see them for sale very often. If they were mine I wouldn't take less than $300; likely wouldn't sell them at all. Enjoy.

Jeff
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Jeff,
Which stocks are you commenting on, the original posted K frame or the thread hijacker's N frame?
Thanks,
Greg

22hipower · Feb 2, 2016

ghawke said:
Jeff,
Which stocks are you commenting on, the original posted K frame or the thread hijacker's N frame?
Thanks,
Greg

I was referring to the N frames on the 1950 however the comment applies to the OPs K frame ones too. I suppose the N frame non-relieved ones are more scarce but the K frame non-relieved don't show up all that often either. I'm no expert but N frame cokes would be the most valuable to me ($500ish if nice) as we pretty much know which guns they should be on (pre-29s/early 29s/early 57s). The non-relieved diamond targets are unusual and so have a premium to me over the relieved but do not seem to be linked to specific models as are the N frame cokes. $300 may be on the low side these days for nice N or K non-relieved targets but that's what they would be worth to me. I've got two sets of non-relieved Ks but I won't be selling them. Good luck.

Jeff
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SDH · Feb 2, 2016

ghawke said:
Jeff,
Which stocks are you commenting on, the original posted K frame or the thread hijacker's N frame?
Thanks,
Greg

Sorry Greg, It seemed like your question was answered and your weren't frame specific in the title so I thought N's relevant to the subject.

Thanks for your opinions guys. Non-relieved N frames are most associated with Highway Patrolman revolvers and I've seen them on HDs and .44s. I've seen just a couple that lettered to a gun and one set lettered to another gun on a 5" postwar HD.
I think I'll be offering these in the classifieds?

Best,
SDH

Hondo44 · Feb 2, 2016

To verify if K or N frame stocks: check butt dimensions. K – 1 ¾”, N – 1 7/8”

Threads on this subject:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-re...3-19-2-coke-grips.html?posted=1#post138746247

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-ha...ottle-stocks-investigation.html#post137913205

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-ha...86-help-i-d-k-frame-stocks.html#post137905973

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-ha...non-relieved-target-stocks.html#post137634535

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-hand-ejectors-1896-1961/305895-what-should-these-stocks.html

http://smith-wessonforum.com/swca-members-forum/171925-target-stocks-variation-time-frames.html

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