Reichmarshal Herman Goering's M&P

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This subject has been discussed before, most notably here: http://smith-wessonforum.com/e...971086413#7971086413.

However, I just ran across this on the Guns Magazine site:
GoeringMP.jpg

Regards,
Kevin Williams
 
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Originally posted by kwill1911:
This subject has been discussed before, most notably here: http://smith-wessonforum.com/e...971086413#7971086413.

However, I just ran across this on the Guns Magazine site:
GoeringMP.jpg

Regards,
Kevin Williams
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Kevin, thanks for reminding me that this historically significant S&W is in my backyard and that I should get over to WP to see it again.
Chuck
 
Hmmmm...according to the article there should be a couple of Goering "Triple Locks" floating around out there.
Wonder if they'd be more valuable than J. Edgar Hoover's RM??
 
Originally posted by Club Gun Fan:
Kevin & Chuck.
Kevin, Didn't he also have a Model M "Ladysmith".
Chuck, The last time I was at West Point this gun was not on display.
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Don, I'll stop by there the next time I go to the commissary and see what's up with it.
Chuck
 
Hmm, very interesting. I was at West Point about three years ago on my way to the Garand Collector's convention in Springfield and I don't recall seeing the M&P at WP either. Could have easliy missed it though...lots of neat guns on display!
 
I had a friend years ago, now deceased, Gen. Fred Barnes, CO of the 9th Armored Div, the unit that took the bridge at Remagnen across the Rhine. He said Goering posed for photo ops after his capture and various US brass, mostly flag officers, had their pictures taken of Goering "surrendering" to them and handing over his S&W. Barnes said that unfortunately the gun was unloaded or he would have got in line with the other generals and shot the SOB when his turn came to accept the "surrender" as Goering's Luftwaffe fighters had straffed his division's red cross marked field hospital tents, killing many wounded GIs. Barnes carried a Walther PPK .380 as his side arm. He said it was a better gun than the Colt .380 Model 1908 issued general officers by the US Army.
 
Originally posted by kwill1911:
This subject has been discussed before, most notably here: http://smith-wessonforum.com/e...971086413#7971086413.

However, I just ran across this on the Guns Magazine site:
GoeringMP.jpg

Regards,
Kevin Williams
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Hmmmmm! Very interesting.
I have a friend in Ft. Walton Beach, FL who is a serious Colt single-action collector and who claims to have Goering's Colt SA. He also claims to have Ernest Hemingway's Colt SA and the Cisco Kid's Colt SA - and Bear Bryant's Colt SA. Maybe he does.....
On the otherhand, this article lends credence to the possibility that Goering had a fettish for American revolvers. "Ja! Very interesting. Und Ve haf ways of making you talk!!!!"
 
Note the white arm band on both German officers.

I'd guess that they had already been processed and Identified as POW's well before the picture was made and the wearing of the arm band indicated that.

Point is the "surrender" was probably photo op'd many times.

I wasn't there, but I'd guess the above to be close to what actually happened.

Others may have different opinions. Good. That's what makes the United States of America a great nation.
rayb
 
This P38 was purchased from a co-worker.
His Father was a M.P. during the Nuremberg trials, and a guard for Hermann Goering until he (Goering) commited suicide.
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My dad served in the 76th General Hospital Leige, Belgium that was "Buzz Bombed" by Goering as Ed mentions above. He remembers carrying the litters of the dead & wounded nurses & patients and his friend diving into the asphalt parking lot to avoid the next one.
Below is a partial view of the 76th General Hospital, near Liège, Belgium. Picture taken during winter 1944-45. The tented 76th Gen Hospital was hard hit on 8 Jan 45, when a V-1 'buzz bomb' struck the area, killing 24 patients and staff, injuring another 20, and causing heavy damage to installations and equipment. The unit, and most others hospitals that were hit in the region, cared for their own casualties, cleared away rubble, and kept on working ...
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whitecoyote said:
This P38 was purchased from a co-worker.
His Father was a M.P. during the Nuremberg trials, and a guard for Hermann Goering until he (Goering) commited suicide.
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Good day,
I am a videographer at the the Las Vegas Review-Journal. I just finished taping an interview our military reporter did with a local veteran who was an MP during the Nuremburg trials. He primarily guarded Goering. I was looking for pictures of Goering online when I saw the P-38. I recalled that during the interview he said that while in the 79th infantry he was a .30 cal machine gunner and killed a sniper and took a P-38 off him. He gave it to his father when he returned home from the service. He said it's long gone now. When I saw your post I was blown away. What are the chances? Do you still have contact with the co-worker and does he remember back where he got it?
 
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GaryS said:
Is this the same Review Journal that was suing bloggers and people who linked to their articles on forums such as this?
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Oh jeez....yes. But it wasn't people who "linked to our articles" it was people who posted our content on their site. Regardless, those days are over, that company (Righthaven) is defunct for at least a year now and frankly I'm glad those days are long behind us.
 
uncle_colt said:
Oh jeez....yes. But it wasn't people who "linked to our articles" it was people who posted our content on their site. Regardless, those days are over, that company (Righthaven) is defunct for at least a year now and frankly I'm glad those days are long behind us.
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Not to drift off topic, but people who linked were in fact victimized by Stephens Media doing the dirty work of your bosses. In fact, the LVRJ owned half of Righthaven.

I can't speak for anyone else on the forum, but I for one wouldn't give you any information for fear that you'd claim it as yours and sue.
 
Ouch! And everyone from Germany should still be held responsible for the Holocaust. I'm just a pawn on the game board here, bud. I thought the happenstance of just hearing the story from this fellow and then coming across your post were just too cool. Sorry to piss you off.
 
uncle_colt said:
Ouch! And everyone from Germany should still be held responsible for the Holocaust. I'm just a pawn on the game board here, bud. I thought the happenstance of just hearing the story from this fellow and then coming across your post were just too cool. Sorry to piss you off.
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Nice non sequitur, but not helpful. I've said all I'll say on the topic and apologize for drifting into off topic subject matter.
 
uncle-colt (On the S&W forum? Really?)- Better not tell anyone you were also responsible for the internal safety on new S&Ws. :)
 
uncle_colt said:
Good day,
I am a videographer at the the Las Vegas Review-Journal. I just finished taping an interview our military reporter did with a local veteran who was an MP during the Nuremburg trials. He primarily guarded Goering. I was looking for pictures of Goering online when I saw the P-38. I recalled that during the interview he said that while in the 79th infantry he was a .30 cal machine gunner and killed a sniper and took a P-38 off him. He gave it to his father when he returned home from the service. He said it's long gone now. When I saw your post I was blown away. What are the chances? Do you still have contact with the co-worker and does he remember back where he got it?
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The person I received it from got it from his Father (now deceased). His Father brought it back from Germany after the War. That's all I know about it.
 
I visited the museum in June of last year, 2011. The pistol was on display then.
 

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