Do ANY police departments today still issue the .38 Spl. Model 10?

primersp said:

TEXAS STAR
in city we find the the 3 corps
municipal police under the mayor autority
gendarmerie and national police under the governement
sp101 was for women in civilian of the national police
before the sig pistol you can find or manurhin 73 or manurhin 88
a ruger security 6 frame with a marurhin barrel and a frame stud
army seem also go to sig pistol
mat 49 is out they have H.K.
during the 80's C.R.S have the ruger mini 14 but now i don't know
the rifle serve above in riot control before they have old mousqueton
berthier 1916 ,C.R.S are unities of the national police
gendarmerie have the same in "gendarmerie mobile" but like they are military ,we find sqadron of armour vehicules ,parachutist compagnies
and they wear army regular firearms .
gendarmerie also can open fire more easily than police.
GIGN and the police similar force RAID use weapons other than regulars
beretta was made under licence at SAINT-ETIENNE i think that is the same for the SIG
yes there is a lot of 357 mag in sold during the lasts years
many 32 acp pp or ppk
now it's seem that the municipal police wear all the 38 4 " with fix sights and a laynard ring
have a nice day

ANDRE

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Andre-

Thanks again.

A final question. What sort(s) of .38 wth four-inch barrel do you mean? Are Smith & Wessons used?

Thanks,

T-Star

Wish I could get the national carry. My old agency (federal) has never shown any interest in facilitating it--thanks for everything, Janet Napolitano--so I just run on the state CCW.

Maybe the US Supreme Court will interpret the 2nd as broadly as the Founders did. For once. We can hope.

If the old Model 10 worked for Jim Cirillo then it's obviously a pretty serviceable weapon.

Texas Star said:

Andre-

Thanks again.

A final question. What sort(s) of .38 wth four-inch barrel do you mean? Are Smith & Wessons used?

Thanks,

T-Star

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yes it's for the most a 4 s&w mol 64 ,but not all the cities allow to policeman to carry a pistol some are only armed with a tonfa , some times a taser or a flash -ball or a spray mace
here on a forum a guy want to buy the old military pistoll mac 50 in 9 mm
it ' s very scarce because all the weapons ( army,gendarmerie and c.r.s.
were equiped with ) were sold outside or destroy .
the only souce to find one is when the ministry of justice sold theirs .
the director of prison have one
same for rifle find a mas 49/56 is not easy the price grow to 2000 euro
a mas 36 is 600-700 euro
have a nice day
ANDRE

I think the Mayberry Sheriffs Office does.

Sir, FWIW, I travel a bit, and I haven't seen a uniformed police officer carrying a revolver in a long time. I did see see a couple uniformed security guards carrying revolvers in Philadelphia last year. I'm also told that many private security guard types around here (Denver area) are required to carry revolvers, but I haven't personally seen any.

Hope this helps, and Semper Fi.

Ron H.

The Sheriff of Jerome County, Idaho, carried a six inch K-38 in a clamshell holster, at least as of a few years ago. He was retired from the LAPD and saw no reason to change.

Bat Guano said:

Wish I could get the national carry. My old agency (federal) has never shown any interest in facilitating it--thanks for everything, Janet Napolitano--so I just run on the state CCW.

Maybe the US Supreme Court will interpret the 2nd as broadly as the Founders did. For once. We can hope.

If the old Model 10 worked for Jim Cirillo then it's obviously a pretty serviceable weapon.

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If I remember correctly you were an INS SA??????

PM sent, hit me up I may be able to help.

primersp-

Andre, thanks.

For what it's worth, I think some of the M-49/56 rifles have been sold here, but I've never see a MAC 9mm M-1950. I know what it is from photos; just never saw a real example.

T-Star

Here in Texas, a lot of rent-a-cops still carry them with ecological ammo..(green verdigris brass from reaction to being stored in leather loops). LOL!

FPS security officer weapons:

A lot depends on the company. Some companies issue the S&W M64s. The officers working in Virginia carry Glock 9mm M17s.

Court security officers work under the US Marshal Service. The ones locally carry Glock .40 M23s.

Bat Guano said:

Wish I could get the national carry. My old agency (federal) has never shown any interest in facilitating it--thanks for everything, Janet Napolitano--so I just run on the state CCW.

Maybe the US Supreme Court will interpret the 2nd as broadly as the Founders did. For once. We can hope.

If the old Model 10 worked for Jim Cirillo then it's obviously a pretty serviceable weapon.

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Bat Guano,

Have you tried to see if a local agency will certify you for the federal LEO permit? Chicago PD and chicagoland does not certify retired officers. They come down to Decatur and get certified. The only problem they run into is if they own a gun that did not exist prior to 11/1/1980.

Cook County is still enforcing the rule that only CURRENT LEOs can carry in the county unless gun that they are carrying was registered with the county prior to 11/1/1980.

calmex said:

Up in Aguascalientes, they were actually using S&W Model 14's. There must be a pile of them on the "used" market up there, but I don't know anyone who knows enough about revolvers in that area to ask to go check.

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Cal, let me tell you something very sad abut the models 14´s of the Aguascalientes police. They were destroyed by SEDENA when they switched to Berettas.
I friend of mine wants to buy one of 8 inches barrel that was in exhibition in the police armory and talked to a Medic of the Police because he wanted him to help him with the trade and he heard the bad news.

Hannibal Barca

You will still see an occasional Model 19 in a holster in the Philadelphia Airport Police. They are all PHL cops with cross-agreement with Tinicum Township as half the airport is in Philadelphia County the other in Delaware Country/Tinicum Township. Dave_n

luis said:

Bat Guano,

Have you tried to see if a local agency will certify you for the federal LEO permit? Chicago PD and chicagoland does not certify retired officers. They come down to Decatur and get certified. The only problem they run into is if they own a gun that did not exist prior to 11/1/1980.

Cook County is still enforcing the rule that only CURRENT LEOs can carry in the county unless gun that they are carrying was registered with the county prior to 11/1/1980.

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please be patient. i am from the south and there for ignorant. can you explain why someone would not want retired LEOs to carry? i would think it would extend the department's reach and effectiveness at little expense.

Hannibal Barca said:

Cal, let me tell you something very sad abut the models 14´s of the Aguascalientes police. They were destroyed by SEDENA when they switched to Berettas.
I friend of mine wants to buy one of 8 inches barrel that was in exhibition in the police armory and talked to a Medic of the Police because he wanted him to help him with the trade and he heard the bad news.

Hannibal Barca

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One has to wince at the thought of probably several hundred K-38's "being destroyed" by SEDENA's unwashed drones. Well, I would have really secretly suspected something like that.

I think it was like in 1998 or so I got sucked into going to that big State Fair they up there in Aguascalientes. It was one of those "all expenses paid" deals by some Mexican Trucking Company that thought that having an American as a "friend" would help them out. You should have seen their faces when -- after I let them wine and dine me -- I told them I was Canadian. Anyway, walking around up there, there were lots of Police around, and I remember thinking. "Damn! They ALL have K-38's!" A lot of them had those really cheap synthetic nylon yaqui slide type holsters, so you could see the bottom part of the 6-inch barrel sticking out with it's unshrouded extractor rod partly visible as well, so there was just NO DOUBT as to what you were looking at.

I was on this Mexican Army base once having just done some very elementary and basic training courses for the Police Force that was supposed to go down to Chiapas during the little uprising they had there in 1994 or so. This Mexican Army Lieutenant took me to show off some big bales of MJ they had confiscated out of some cement truck. They were real proud of that. They were going to burn it.

"Can I stand upwind?" I asked whimsically.

He just sort of stared at me and I could see myself reflected in his shiney-mirror sunglasses.

"I'll show you something you'll find interesting." He took me over about 50 yards or so, and there was this big pile of junky guns. I mean, real crap. Like the MJ bales, there were guys in PFP uniforms (Police uniforms with Military guys in them to get around the law prohibiting the Military from doing traffic stops or something like that) with MP-5s. They had this table set up, and there was a guy there with a hacksaw and a big bench vice bending, cutting, and just wrecking the stuff from one pile and throwing it over onto another pile.

"All the guns we have confiscated!" delared buddy proudly.

"This is all junk." I told him. "Where's the good stuff?"

He looked indignant. "You DON'T honestly think we'd destroy THAT do you? The good stuff goes to our officers! The almost good stuff goes to the enlisted men."

"Oh." Man, I was happy to get out of there. Back in those days, I was always troubled by the fact that sooner or later, someone might start to think that I was seeing too much. I keep to myself, these days.

So when you tell me the "K-38's were destroyed", I flashback to standing there watching that guy wreck junk guns while his partner checked them off on a list as they got flung into the DONE pile. Oh, it just makes me shake my head.

Doug.38PR said:

I've heard it said that police department's in Mexico still issue them.

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Apx 2 years ago saw a cop in the Mexican side of Nogales packing a Model 10. Saw another cop earlier in the day and it looked like a Model 15 but I wasn't close enough to tell for sure. Could have possibly been an Astra or Spanish mfg look-alike. From a distance of about 50 yards I could see some of the Mexican border guards with revolvers but couldn't guess what kind.

I think Mayberry still issues the model 10.

Not sure if NYS Department of Corrections still has them, I know a couple of years ago they were. I do know that last year our local NYS Court Officers locally were carrying a couple of Model 15's, I don't know of anyone else.

Even the 71 year old Deputy Sheriff we have here, aka "Pappy" carries a Glock 22 We have 3 sworn Officers in my township and they also carry Glock 22's.

When I first got hired working for my county govt., I heard there were a couple Deputy Sheriff's who were so old they were about to be made to retire. I would have thought I'd see some older irons in their holsters, but no, all plastic. I don't think these older guys in particular are masters with a handgun either...one of them is a master at buying Powerball tickets and I have heard funny stories that he has been known to report for his shift with an empty holster because he forgot his Glock at home , the other struggles to stay awake during court hearings but at least most days he has a gun in his holster.

The .40 plastic poppers have worked their way down to Podunk

No wheelguns to be seen in the larger town I work in either, it's all Glock, XD's or some other poly gun. Some of the Parole and Probation people might carry wheelguns, I don't know they're always concealed.

It's been quite a while since I've seen any wheelgun in a LEO holster.

The closest I've seen recently was the armored car guard who looked about 110 years old with an Official Police in his holster, refilling the ATM machine. I think some armored carrier companies make their guards buy their own handguns, so some of those guys have S&W and Colt .38's they've had probably forever.

Even in our little rinky dink county the department went to Glocks early on, way back in the 1990's. I remember the first guns were 9mm, and then right about when I joined in 2004 they had gone to .45's. At least they got the caliber right. Even us guys in the Corrections end get the Glocks now, however I would prefer a wheelgun.