Frame Crack Epidemic?

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Help me out here folks.

Just look here at the various frame-crack threads on the forum. Seems like every time I open the forum....there is yet another frame-crack thread.

Has it reached epidemic proportions? I have two Air-Lites and I find myself going to look at mine again every time I see a frame-crack thread. Am I becoming paranoid?
 
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Think of this -- every time someone posts, "I have a frame crack!" at least one other person says, "Yeah, me too!" But what you DON'T hear is the 5,000 other guys who could post, "No cracks here!", but don't.
 
I have seen a lot of hype about the frame crack, but I can only say that I have seen a handful of actual documented cases....there are lot of duplicate pictures and threads being passed around....I have a 340Sc and shoot it every time I hit the range...no cracks yet....I bet there are less than 1% of frame failures out there....and I know that there are many many airlite and airweight guns out in the world....shoot yours, enjoy them, keep an eye out, but don't worry about it :)
 
The aluminum/scandium alloy frame guns will always have a higher percentage of cracked frames just from the fact that the alloy used while very strong is also more brittle than a steel framed gun.

The aluminum/scandium guns are excellent guns and it seems that Smith and Wesson is excellent about replacing or fixing guns that are cracked.
 
I purchased a used +P rated 642 that had the typical cracked frame at the bottom of the barrel yoke area. It's the only one I've had so far thats cracked. Unfortunately it happens but dunno if at epidemic proportions.
 
alloy frames cracking.....

Doubt if one can call it "epidemic proportions" but like the squeaky hinge that gets the oil, one who HAS one or is thinking about BUYING one tend to notice these things...yes, as noted above, the nature of "unlike" materials being screwed into/ onto ,one another and using the "latest" in manufacturing 'techniques' ( crush fit, unlike the old screw 'em on and the pin them....duh)
If one has one , all the ones we KNOW of that had gone back, (can count on one hand), have been 'warrantied' (repaired) by the factory ,NOT a problem or an issue................

I can also tell you, that we had seen folks take and try to "force" the barrel ,one way or the other, to change "point of impact", they read in some gun rag ( or on line???) on how some writer did this them selves to "save a buck" and voila, put a wooden axe handle in the frame of ANY alloy gun, you can and will "crack the frame":rolleyes:
 
dant....I thought they gave-up on trying to make guns shoot around corners long ago. Maybe some younger people are watching the Three Stooges movies and really think they are documentaries and not comedies.:)
 
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I got at least 500+ rounds of 38special and 38special +P's thought my 637 and zero cracks.
 
I've owned nearly 20 airweight S&Ws and have not had a cracked frame yet. It happens but it is uncommon.

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ADP3
 
The only two Smith Air-Lite's I have are both 317's and I think I have heard off one of those models cracking. I admit to having an Ultra-Lite by another brand name and have never seen a case of a crack in this particular model. Other issues....you bet, but a cracked frame has not been a common issue.

I am beginning to be "less paranoid" than before I started this thread.
 
Approaching 3000 rounds of 38 and 38+P through my 642CT without any signs of a frame crack. Just put 50 more through the 442 this AM for a total of 950, still no frame cracks. Unknown total number of rounds through my M37 with no cracks showing to date.

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I don't own one, but I plan to eventually get a 642 and a 317. The 'reports' don't worry me at all.

Besides, I'm sure S&W cust svc would take care of it.
 
I have noticed a dramatic increase in such failures since S&W eliminated the pin and went with fully crush fit barrels. They seem to have trouble getting it right and many instances of cracking, breaking and even falling completely off are noted.

If the barrel doesn't fail in the first 500 rounds that's a good sign. After that, keep the forcing cone spotlessly clean and the odds are in your favor.

I think this crush barrel fitting may also be affecting some LW and AW frames. Again, it seems to occur right away if it is going to happen. If you make 500 full powered rounds OK chances are you will have no problems.
 
My M-642 was 20 years old and had more than 5,000 rounds through it when it cracked. Even if S&W had not replaced it with another one, I would have considered that I had gotten my money's worth from it.

"My gun broke" gives one reason to post because it is an anomaly. "My gun didn't break" is the average experience and thus is less likely to prompt one to write about it.

The transmission in my 20+ year old pickup truck has failed. That truck cost me a whole lot more than any gun I have ever bought. The truck has given me a lot of good service. Ford isn't buying me a new truck because the old tranny failed. I'll get the transmission fixed and go on with life.

People shoot more than they used to, partly because of high capacity reloading machines and partly because the internet has given us a nation-wide marketplace for ammo and component shopping. The increased concealed carry market has put an awful lot more lightweight guns out into the world. It has also made it easier for us to find out about other people's problems with their hardware.

S&W, like other large businesses, researches their failures to improve their products. Warranty claims reduce their profits. I am sure that what they learn about yesterday's and today's broken guns gives us better guns tomorrow.

Yes, I had one failure. I have a number of other aluminum frame S&W's that haven't cracked. I have another 642 that hasn't cracked. I don't call what I am reading about an epidemic by any means.
 
250+ rounds in a 340PD, an earlier version I think when they were first introduced. About 75 of those rounds fired were Remington .357Magnums and a good bit of the rest were .38spl+p's.

No cracks but I do look for one after every range visit.
 
I've owned many, many Airweights over the years with untold thousands of rounds and no cracked frames. I think it's easy to get the impression that there is some kind of "crack conspiracy" because the internet attracts the dramatic.
 
No cracks in my 1968 model 37 airweight.
I have to say that when cracks are outlawed, only outlaws will have crack.
Seriously, I truly believe that if you keep the forcing cone sanitary, and don't shoot rounds that the gun is not designed for, like shooting standard pressure 158 grain .38 specials in an alloy framed M37, then quite possibly you won't have an extra crack in your life.
Have a good work week,
Gordon
 
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