Ok guys the weirdest thing happened today to me at the range. I was shooting my smith 500 and on my secound round my gun shot two rounds. At first i thought it was just a really hot load. Opened the chamber and two rounds had fired. I have shot revolvers for a while and this had never happened to me. It scared the **** out of me when it happened. So 1000 grains in a second hurts... has this happened to you before. Thanks kam.
double tap on revolver
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I read an article in a gun magazine about it. I believe Massad Ayoob was the author. What takes place is with the heavy recoil it forces the gun back in the shooters hand. When this happens, often you involuntarily squeeze your fingers, triggering another shot. The article said S&W has slow motion video that documents this.
Sounds kinda scary, but apparently it is not uncommon.
Jim
Sounds kinda scary, but apparently it is not uncommon.
Jim
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From grip on large caliber double action handguns. Also happens with .460 Magnums. I believe there is a video on YouTube with this happening.
From grip on large caliber double action handguns. Also happens with .460 Magnums. I believe there is a video on YouTube with this happening.
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The members are correct! There are 2 different videos showing it. And there is the slow motion there also. That 500 is a Bad Boy for sure, but then again it will handle any animal on this planet!
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This is a known shooter issue with the Model 500. It results from the intensive recoil and the bounce back which causes the shooter's trigger finger to cycle the revolver again even though the shooter is not intentionally pulling the trigger.
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I was working as a CRSO at a local range about six months after the 500 S&W came out and we had a gentleman have a triple happen. He pulled the trigger on the first, recoil caused the second, and high primer caused the third. Needless to say he was not happy and sold the gun before he left the range that day. Grip is very important on the 500.
Its caused plain and simple from not being used to shooting big caliber guns and not having proper grip. Its dangerous thing to have happen and you need to work on your shooting skills/ habits. I have seen it happen to people shooting 357 mag and 44 mag or some girl at the range wanting to shoot her douchebag boyfriends 50 cal DE.
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Involuntary AD
John Ross wrote a short article addressing this issue. The recoil is so great that the 500 Mag depresses the grip, and the fat deposits on your palm. You, trying to follow through actually lose contact with the face of the trigger long enough for the trigger to re-set. In the mean time, your brain is still telling your trigger finger to squeeze, which it does, triggering the AD...often when the gun is pointed straight up. John did say that seasoned magnum shooters don't run into to this problem...seasoned 329 PD 44 mag full house loads or 500 Mag heavy loads. Shooting regular 44 magnum loads from a standard weight revolver does not prepare you for the S&W 500 Magnum.
John Ross wrote a short article addressing this issue. The recoil is so great that the 500 Mag depresses the grip, and the fat deposits on your palm. You, trying to follow through actually lose contact with the face of the trigger long enough for the trigger to re-set. In the mean time, your brain is still telling your trigger finger to squeeze, which it does, triggering the AD...often when the gun is pointed straight up. John did say that seasoned magnum shooters don't run into to this problem...seasoned 329 PD 44 mag full house loads or 500 Mag heavy loads. Shooting regular 44 magnum loads from a standard weight revolver does not prepare you for the S&W 500 Magnum.
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Then you are really missing out.
This is a very rare occurrence. More people probably have an accidental discharge with a common black 9mm pistol every single day than this happening to someone somewhere during any given year. Really, the chance of any gun have something weird happen are about the same. Of course NEVER ride on or touch a motorcycle as well, because these make a 500 seem like 22 for danger factor.
Many elderly and teens shoot a S&W 500 everyday.
The"Myth" is much larger than reality, and a counter reality post to the above seemed in order.
EDIT: The above is based on the topic of double tap, not recoil being excessive or any other aspects. Just the idea that this gun should be avoided due to being unsafe for extremely rare double tap is disputed. There really is much more great things to know about this gun than what is in this thread.
It is more like Sex. Sure, some never try it and swear they never will. But they are missing out on something great. Risk of death or injury is probably higher too. If you've never shot a 500 (or had sex), I highly suggest you give it a try. The smile might surprise you!
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Chrisj357
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Yes, but
What has been said so far is very true. Grip is very important on these big guns. However, on my 6.5" 500 I had a defective cylinder stop spring.
The tech at S&W told me, before they made the X-frame, they only had one part number for the cylinder stop spring......one number, one part for all revolvers.
They found out that spring wasnt strong enough for the .500 so they came up with a stronger one. He thought very likely they installed the wrong spring at when they initially built the gun....
What was happening was Id shoot 2 rounds and then get an already fired cartridge even though I had all five loaded. The cylinder was rotating back as the recoil caused the cylinder to unlock.
Changed the spring all is well
It happens so I cant say I dont believe it, but as rare as it is I would think the double tap has a good chance of happening in conjunction with an unlocking free rotating cylinder. I think one would know if they went through the complete double action pull even if they didnt intend on it
Improve your grip, but be on the look out for the two shots and click........good sign the spring is the problem
What has been said so far is very true. Grip is very important on these big guns. However, on my 6.5" 500 I had a defective cylinder stop spring.
The tech at S&W told me, before they made the X-frame, they only had one part number for the cylinder stop spring......one number, one part for all revolvers.
They found out that spring wasnt strong enough for the .500 so they came up with a stronger one. He thought very likely they installed the wrong spring at when they initially built the gun....
What was happening was Id shoot 2 rounds and then get an already fired cartridge even though I had all five loaded. The cylinder was rotating back as the recoil caused the cylinder to unlock.
Changed the spring all is well
It happens so I cant say I dont believe it, but as rare as it is I would think the double tap has a good chance of happening in conjunction with an unlocking free rotating cylinder. I think one would know if they went through the complete double action pull even if they didnt intend on it
Improve your grip, but be on the look out for the two shots and click........good sign the spring is the problem
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