Removing and reinstalling a barrel?

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On a 686 where the barrel is a crush fit, can you remove and reinstall the same barrel without any issues or is it a one time fit? I bought 2 extra 4 inch barrels and I would like to try fitting them myself before I pay a gunsmith to do it.

I have the ability to make a barrel wrench and action wrench so I am not worried about twisting the frame. I have a metal lathe, but the bore isn't large enough for the barrel.

Chris
 
I have removed and installed both pinned and non-pinned barrels over the years without any problems. Make sure you have the proper tools and the barrel and frame are properly supported.
Have you checked with Customer Service? It may be less expensive in the long run to have them do the barrel swap for you.
 
Have you checked with Customer Service? It may be less expensive in the long run to have them do the barrel swap for you.

They only want $75 but I need to pay overnight shipping to them even though I live in the same state. I found another local shop that wants $135 to do it so that is why I want to try it myself.

Chris
 
If you remove a barrel then screw it back on to the same torque it'll screw back on just a little farther, which will put the front sight off slightly.

If you screw it on until the sight lines up properly, it won't be torqued quite as tightly.
Often you can get away with it, but many times the barrel will vibrate loose because it's not torqued as tightly.
This is one of those things that varies from gun to gun.

Some info on barrel work:
First, the old gag of locking the barrel in some wood blocks in a vise and sticking a hammer handle or 2X2 through the frame window and twisting the frame off is a fast way to destroy the gun.
Very often either the frame will bend, or the frame will crack.
Look at the frame under the barrel where the yoke seats. Note how thin the metal is in that area.
Using a handle or stick through the frame puts tremendous stress on that thin area, and it cracks right through the threaded area.
Once cracked, or the frame bends, that's it, the frame is ruined.

To do barrel work you need a revolver frame wrench with polymer inserts that fit that specific brand and size frame. This wrench supports and spread the stress and prevents damaging the frame.
Brownell's carry several brands:

frame wrench at Brownells

Second, very often when you screw a different barrel on, shocker..... the front sight is off, often WAY off.
Barrels require extensive fitting using either a lathe or a barrel shoulder bench trimming tool.
In order to get the barrel to line up with the front sight at 12:00 O'clock top-dead-center requires cutting the shoulder, and that needs the lathe or bench tool.
The barrel has to screw on and stop a certain distance short so that you can torque it in place so the barrel doesn't vibrate loose, which is where we started.

Next, a different barrel will usually need the rear trimmed to set the proper barrel-cylinder gap.
This requires a special (expensive) tool that works down the bore to precision cut the rear of the barrel.

Last, a different barrel, especially one that's had to be trimmed will need to have the forcing cone re-cut and precision gaged with a drop-in plug gage.
The forcing cone is CRITICAL to good accuracy and safety.
This requires another tool that works down the bore to re-cut the cone, and a brass lapping head to lap the cut smooth, plus the precision gage to make sure the cone is the correct diameter.

All this costs considerable money and you better know exactly what you're doing. This is why it's cheaper to have barrel work done by a pro who has the tooling.

Want to run a high risk of ruining the gun?
Use the hammer handle through the frame to remove and install the barrel.
You may notice a "POP" sound as the frame cracks, or feel an odd sensation as the frame bends.

If/when the barrel doesn't screw on with the right amount of torque and the front sight is off, either stick a home-made washer on the barrel, use a file to try to cut back the barrel shoulder leaving some nice gaps from the uneven shoulder, or as I've seen before, file the front of the frame. Don't worry, you can fix that with some cold blue.

To set the barrel-cylinder gap, use a file to hand file the rear of the barrel. Of course it won't be even, but what the heck.
Then just ignore the forcing cone.

Last, when you shoot it, wonder why it doesn't shoot as good as it did, and why it's spitting bullet metal out the gap.
 
They are installed the same way they always were, less the cross-pin, which really did not hold the barrel in place in any event. S&W barrels can be removed and reinstalled. I would suggest, however, that it is not a job for a first-timer or amateur. S&W is the best place to have a new barrel installed on your revolver.
 
If you remove a barrel then screw it back on to the same torque it'll screw back on just a little farther, which will put the front sight off slightly.

If you screw it on until the sight lines up properly, it won't be torqued quite as tightly.


First of all, your post is pure comedy genius, thanks for the laugh! Milling a few delrin blocks to protect the frame and barrel is far from voodoo or even rocket science.

Regarding the text quoted above, that is what I feared. The barrel is a "crush fit" which means you get to do it once, then back to the lathe to remove another full revolution of the shoulder before you do it again. Much like the crush washer on a automotive ring and pinion.

Being a cheap Yankee, is that an oxymoron, I am willing to take the chance that the cylinder gap and the threads are either right or close enough to fit. If not, off to the gunsmith, but it appears this is a one way street as once that barrel is removed, it cannot be correctly replaced without a trip on the lathe.

I think you have convinced me to either send it to S&W and wait 5 months or leave it alone.

Chris
 
I have an excellent pistol smith in the Cincinnati area. I consider myself fortunate. He is MOST reasonable and that is just icing on the cake. I bought a used 686-4 with a 6" barrel. When I got it home, I discovered the barrel cylinder gap was bigger than I thought. It spit a bit and frankly, it bothered me.

Jack Basham, the pistolsmith, set the barrel back, gave me the exact clearance I wanted and re-throated the barrel. The pistol no longer spits and it shoots like a "house afire". I am MORE than happy. I got to watch the entire process (I was trained as a machinist) and it is obvious that Jack "knows what he is about"...

Dale53
 
Regarding the text quoted above, that is what I feared. The barrel is a "crush fit" which means you get to do it once, then back to the lathe to remove another full revolution of the shoulder before you do it again. Much like the crush washer on a automotive ring and pinion.
Chris

Hmm, I don't know where you heard that from, but it is not the case as far as I know. I have removed several "crush fit" barrels and re-installed them with no major problems, and have never had to cut back the barrel shoulder to do so, UNLESS, the B/C gap was out of spec, which then of course meant redoing the forcing cone once the B/C gap was set. I've had to shorten the ejector rod sometimes too, if I cut the barrel shoulder back.

Where did you get this information from?:confused:
 
Breaking the torque on a barrel does not necessarily mean that it can't be reinstalled without cutting the shoulder back.

Sometimes you luck out and there was enough "draw" in the barrel that it can be torqued back up again and it'll be tight enough to stay put.
There are also other techniques that can be used to tighten a barrel, some valid, some jack leg, depending on the barrel type.

The point is, revolver barrels and cylinders are VERY much hand fitted and adjusted parts that seldom are drop-in.
Revolvers are not automatics where most parts can be installed fairly easily.
Revolvers are just "different".
Even a shocking number of professional gunsmiths don't really know what it takes to change a barrel the right way.
You ask them about gaging the forcing cone and you get that deer in the headlights look.

People often get into trouble after reading some old gun magazine or book article or reading something on the internet about how easy you can switch a barrel.
They're often very shocked when it doesn't go as advertised and there's all too often a tendency to start jack legging to make it work out, which usually ruins a good gun.

If you want to learn to do revolver barrel and cylinder work, most people are quite able to learn how, but you have to learn how to do it the right way, and either build or buy the tooling to do it.
In the case of "milling a few Delrin bocks" the operative word is "milling". Few home gunsmiths have a milling machine to mill the blocks.

My point in all this, is not knowing the skill and knowledge level of a poster, I try to give them enough information to hopefully keep them out of trouble and from ruining an expensive gun by trying something they think is a simple job they can do on the kitchen table with a file and a vise.
 
They only want $75 but I need to pay overnight shipping to them even though I live in the same state. I found another local shop that wants $135 to do it so that is why I want to try it myself.

Chris

I suppose everything has changed, and this is years ago, but I use to just drive to S&W and bring them a gun, tour the gun collection, go have lunch, and comeback later, and get my gun. But I was having action work, night firing sights, and TT/TH work done. At a cost of 75.00, it cannot be a long job
 
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