Originally Posted by RoadVirus

I really feel for the normal folks that live in communist occupied territory. I hiked the PCT this past year and most of the folks I met along the way through the California, Oregon and Washington mountains are indistinguishable from midwestern rednecks like myself. Move and let their workers paradise collapse as those in control and supporting it are parasites on your back.

Originally Posted by scooter123

My understanding is that the manufacturers have to PAY for the testing of each model and SKU variation that the manufacturer wishes to sell in California. Naturally California places a very high value on their testing services, so these tests are NOT cheap. So what gets tested is just those firearms that are selling at high volumes.

With a Revolver that means whatever is in high demand that particular year. End result is there is a real mishmash of California Compliant revolvers on the used handgun market because one year a 686 was hot and another year it may have been a 625. In addition there were periods when manufacturers like S&W wanted to have multiple models available so they simply disregarded the demand and just payed to have an array of revolvers certified.

As for Mechanical Differences, that was ZERO, NADA, ZIP. However someone did discover a loophole that allows a Single Action Only revolver to cross the line into California. So you will at times see SAO modified double action revolvers being shipped into California. I supect that installing a functioning DA sear into one of these "SAO" variants is illegal but I have not seen any hints of prosecution of someone adding a DA sear to a revolver lacking that part.

Originally Posted by OLJEEP

What is different about a Calif. compliant revolver? I have been looking at classified ads and one said Calif. compliant. I know about semi autos and stuff. I don't see much you can change on a revolver. Please help with my ignorance.

Originally Posted by Benchrest1

I wanted a Korth revolver when Nighthawk Custom first got them in. The gun shop I was working with tried to get one modified to single action so they could get it in to California. No dice, it didn't fly, and I gave up.

Originally Posted by Bill Lear

All handguns sold in California must be on a Roster of Approved Handguns. The notion presented is that such guns have passed suitable safety checks to make them "safer" than all those ****** guns being dumped on the rest of the country!

DA revolvers generally come down to a specific SKU identifier attached to the model at the time it is tested. When the manufacturer changes something sufficiently so as to require a different SKU, then the new model is not approved to be on the roster.

All that is required to add a revolver to the roster is submit samples for testing and pay the fee - has nothing to do with having internal locks or other gimmicks.

The BIG issue with the Roster are semiautomatic handguns. All new submissions to the Roster must have microstamping built in, while all semiautos previously approved do not require microstamping to stay on the Roster - such as Glock gen 3 models, or the plethora of semi autos from Kimber, Springfield Armory, RIA, CZ, etc, but any models newer than the microstamping law require it.

Unfortunately the gun industry views microstamping as a "line in the sand" over which they shall not cross and so many manufacturers such as Colt, even S&W, Ruger, and others have REMOVED (not recertified) much or all of their semiauto line up as a way of forcing the issue.

The PROBLEM with this is that the dood who INVENTED microstamping has repeatedly demonstrated it IS viable and reliable to a State specified standard, and no major manufacturers (if any) have enjoined the suit against microstamping, leaving it to be argued by the citizens versus the inventor, with no gun maker showing any proper argument as to why they CAN'T do it, while the inventor has shown they can. Of course this is the "real truth" you don't hear about up and down the internet of experts who have never read the actual court filings and read just how ridiculous is the "people's" argument against something the inventor has PROVED works.

Manufacturers claim it will add cost to the guns but they're already jacking up the prices on California specific guns so what's new? Just smoke and mirrors.

If every gun buyer in California refused to by ANY products from the big name manufacturers who are profiting greatly from the sales of everything other than semiauto handguns, I suspect we would soon see the first one, then another manufacturer move to have new model semiautos with microstamping, certified for sale.

Once certified on the Roster, all that is required to remain on the Roster is payment of a yearly fee...so once on, never off as long as they pay the vig. Also remember, every one of the big name manufacturers had many semiautos already certified on the Roster when they chose to refuse to recertify. Even now, should they wish to RE-add such models to the Roster, because they were certified prior to the microstamping law, they are only required to meet the standards in place at the time of their original certification! Anybody starting to feel the scam going on here?

Yes microstamping is ridiculous, but it IS possible, and any manufacture CAN do it, and the parts only have to pass a specified endurance standard already, and repeatedly demonstrated.

Laser etching of a firing pin tip, and the breech face is by now "old tech" easily done and not costly at all. Like getting vaccinated for Covid, the opposition has come down to "I won't because you can't tell me what to do!"

Originally Posted by dsf

Eight months and I'll never see this state again. Last time I was so happy to leave a place it was on a C-130 JATO ....

Originally Posted by Walter Rego

It sure would be nice if there were a forum policy regarding guns and California laws where people who have nothing to add to the conversation were to get a warning for irrelevant bashing.

This thread would be about 2/3 shorter without the CA bashing which does nothing to answer the OP's question.

Seriously guys.....

Originally Posted by Bill Lear

All handguns sold in California must be on a Roster of Approved Handguns. The notion presented is that such guns have passed suitable safety checks to make them "safer" than all those ****** guns being dumped on the rest of the country!



DA revolvers generally come down to a specific SKU identifier attached to the model at the time it is tested. When the manufacturer changes something sufficiently so as to require a different SKU, then the new model is not approved to be on the roster.



All that is required to add a revolver to the roster is submit samples for testing and pay the fee - has nothing to do with having internal locks or other gimmicks.



The BIG issue with the Roster are semiautomatic handguns. All new submissions to the Roster must have microstamping built in, while all semiautos previously approved do not require microstamping to stay on the Roster - such as Glock gen 3 models, or the plethora of semi autos from Kimber, Springfield Armory, RIA, CZ, etc, but any models newer than the microstamping law require it.



Unfortunately the gun industry views microstamping as a "line in the sand" over which they shall not cross and so many manufacturers such as Colt, even S&W, Ruger, and others have REMOVED (not recertified) much or all of their semiauto line up as a way of forcing the issue.



The PROBLEM with this is that the dood who INVENTED microstamping has repeatedly demonstrated it IS viable and reliable to a State specified standard, and no major manufacturers (if any) have enjoined the suit against microstamping, leaving it to be argued by the citizens versus the inventor, with no gun maker showing any proper argument as to why they CAN'T do it, while the inventor has shown they can. Of course this is the "real truth" you don't hear about up and down the internet of experts who have never read the actual court filings and read just how ridiculous is the "people's" argument against something the inventor has PROVED works.



Manufacturers claim it will add cost to the guns but they're already jacking up the prices on California specific guns so what's new? Just smoke and mirrors.



If every gun buyer in California refused to by ANY products from the big name manufacturers who are profiting greatly from the sales of everything other than semiauto handguns, I suspect we would soon see the first one, then another manufacturer move to have new model semiautos with microstamping, certified for sale.



Once certified on the Roster, all that is required to remain on the Roster is payment of a yearly fee...so once on, never off as long as they pay the vig. Also remember, every one of the big name manufacturers had many semiautos already certified on the Roster when they chose to refuse to recertify. Even now, should they wish to RE-add such models to the Roster, because they were certified prior to the microstamping law, they are only required to meet the standards in place at the time of their original certification! Anybody starting to feel the scam going on here?



Yes microstamping is ridiculous, but it IS possible, and any manufacture CAN do it, and the parts only have to pass a specified endurance standard already, and repeatedly demonstrated.

Laser etching of a firing pin tip, and the breech face is by now "old tech" easily done and not costly at all. Like getting vaccinated for Covid, the opposition has come down to "I won't because you can't tell me what to do!"

Originally Posted by Llance

Seriously guy; I wasn't bashing the Peoples Democratic Republic of California, her politicians yes I'm bashing them. Most think with their little head and have yet to understand that they can not dictate to the rest of the country how to behave. They deserve to have to live with the laws they impose on their citizens. Something they don't have to do because they exempt themselves for life from most of the laws they impose on the citizens of the state.

Think not, when was the last time a politician from the statehouse was sent to prison for violating a law they passed in the legislater.

Originally Posted by RoadVirus

I really feel for the normal folks that live in communist occupied territory. I hiked the PCT this past year and most of the folks I met along the way through the California, Oregon and Washington mountains are indistinguishable from midwestern rednecks like myself. Move and let their workers paradise collapse as those in control and supporting it are parasites on your back.