bulldozerd8t
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Has anybody installed a bolt buffer yet? Just installed one on my 10-22 and I like it. I think I saw on a video that Brett248vista was going to try one on the 15-22. I think it is a good idea less impact on the stock.
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Bolt buffer...? Please enlighten me, this sounds interesting.
industrialfish
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I tried a bolt buffer on the 15-22. It seemed to work, but prevented the bolt from locking back after last round fired because of the added thickness.
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bulldozerd8t
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A rubber piece mounted on the stock behind the bolt helps cushion the shock probably easily made. I saw a video that brett248vista was going to try one out. Just wondering if anybody else has built one yet and tried.
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bulldozerd8t
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I just fixed my problem of bolt not staying back on last shot, don't want to create another problem.
I just have to ask why? For over 100 years we ahve been shooting 22 semi autos without need for a buffer in it, heck the army shoots thousands of 7.62 out of a machine gun and doesn't need a little piece of rubber to cushion the bolt. It sounds like something that isn't neccessary and that could come off and jam up the whole gun.
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bulldozerd8t
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Its not that you have to have a bolt buffer. Since the M&P is plastic I thought it would be nice to protect the stock from wear from the bolt striking it. I put a buffer pin in my 10-22 ruger today and you can tell how much smoother the bolt operates, now do you need it? no its just a preference or option some people likes. 
industrialfish
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Its not that you have to have a bolt buffer. Since the M&P is plastic I thought it would be nice to protect the stock from wear from the bolt striking it. I put a buffer pin in my 10-22 ruger today and you can tell how much smoother the bolt operates, now do you need it? no its just a preference or option some people likes.
The 10-22 DOES need one because the factory one is a steel pin in an aluminum housing, and WILL crack if not buffered.
The 15-22 sort of has a buffer, the plastic at the end of the bolt slide IS the buffer. But if you put a secondary one in there, you remove the rearward *clack* as the bolt cycles.
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bulldozerd8t
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I had a 10-22 for 20 years shot countless rds through it .Took the gun an refinished the stock and took apart everything to clean the gun had no problems. After all that work a co-worker bought it. I bought me a stainless one had for 10 years now and no problem. Not to say it will not crack , but when , Oh today I did install a buffer not that it needed it. How many rds do you have to shoot to crack housing? I"ll tell my co-worker that still owns the 10-22 I sold him 30 years ago.
I like to get the clack noise out of mine thats why i wanted to know if anybody has installed one on the m&p That is why I also put one on my 10-22.
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While its not an absolute necessity the 10/22 really 'should' have a softer pin than the steel one they put in at the factory to reduce the hammering of the holes in the aluminum receiver.
I had one of the rubbery ones in mine and my fathers.
He didn't like it because he thought it wouldn't last very long, he likes to make things that last forever. So he had one of the guys in his shop make up several out of 1/4" Delran rod.
That one has been in there for several years and one hell of a lot of rounds with no sign of wear at all.
Best of all is that its immune to gun cleaning chemicals, unlike some of the rubber ones.
In the case of our MP's, they already have a buffer of sorts built into the end of the bolt assembly. That big chunk of plastic offers a lot more surface area for the bolt to impact the lower with and as such is at least as effective as the 1/4" steel cross pin used in the 10/22.
I had one of the rubbery ones in mine and my fathers.
He didn't like it because he thought it wouldn't last very long, he likes to make things that last forever. So he had one of the guys in his shop make up several out of 1/4" Delran rod.
That one has been in there for several years and one hell of a lot of rounds with no sign of wear at all.
Best of all is that its immune to gun cleaning chemicals, unlike some of the rubber ones.
In the case of our MP's, they already have a buffer of sorts built into the end of the bolt assembly. That big chunk of plastic offers a lot more surface area for the bolt to impact the lower with and as such is at least as effective as the 1/4" steel cross pin used in the 10/22.
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For what it's worth, I look at it this way...
If my 15-22 cracks after X years of using it, I'll send it back to S&W and they will replace it.
Same thing with my 10/22.
I've tried shock buffers in multiple 1911s over the past 10 to 15 years with mixed results. For the most part, I've had more trouble with them than success. In almost every instance on my 1911s, I had last round lockback issues, among other problems.
I've given up on them. If a receiver fails from use, it's a manufacturer defect in my opinion and it should be covered. I've very confident Ruger would cover such a failure no questions asked, and am pretty confident that S&W would as well.
Unless the tinkering bug has you (and tinkering is part of the fun for you), don't lose sleep or worry about it.
If my 15-22 cracks after X years of using it, I'll send it back to S&W and they will replace it.
Same thing with my 10/22.
I've tried shock buffers in multiple 1911s over the past 10 to 15 years with mixed results. For the most part, I've had more trouble with them than success. In almost every instance on my 1911s, I had last round lockback issues, among other problems.
I've given up on them. If a receiver fails from use, it's a manufacturer defect in my opinion and it should be covered. I've very confident Ruger would cover such a failure no questions asked, and am pretty confident that S&W would as well.
Unless the tinkering bug has you (and tinkering is part of the fun for you), don't lose sleep or worry about it.
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Ever shoot a S&W 22A or S? They come from the factory with plastic recoil buffers.
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I beta-tested the T22 "buffer." Several times the magazines were unable to hold the bolt open after the last round.
Self loading firearms depend to some extent (often a great extent) on timing. Cartridge feed from the magazine needs to be synchronized to the movement of the bolt or slide. A buffer changes this timing. And shortens the recoil stroke.
So far I've not seen any indication of bolt or carrier cracking on these rifles. And, like "shock buffers" in the M1911 pistol a buffer here just seems like a product with no utility, but which some people will buy.
While this was a prototype just a few magazines started to distort the buffer. Few ramifications to it coming apart in a .22 plinker rifle; unlike the potentially fatal ramifications using a "shock buff" locking up M1911 when you need it.
Just say "No!".
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Self loading firearms depend to some extent (often a great extent) on timing. Cartridge feed from the magazine needs to be synchronized to the movement of the bolt or slide. A buffer changes this timing. And shortens the recoil stroke.
So far I've not seen any indication of bolt or carrier cracking on these rifles. And, like "shock buffers" in the M1911 pistol a buffer here just seems like a product with no utility, but which some people will buy.
While this was a prototype just a few magazines started to distort the buffer. Few ramifications to it coming apart in a .22 plinker rifle; unlike the potentially fatal ramifications using a "shock buff" locking up M1911 when you need it.
Just say "No!".
-- Chuck
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bulldozerd8t
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My browning buckmark comes factory with a plastic recoil buffer also. So if it comes from the factory that way those guns probably needs one.
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Mine doesn't hold open half the time anyway. Buffers don't show available on Tacticool22 web site. Jody, will you be selling them anytime soon? I want some. If any Beta testers don't want to use yours I'll take em.
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My browning buckmark comes factory with a plastic recoil buffer also. So if it comes from the factory that way those guns probably needs one.
I think the factory installs the buffers during package prep to prevent damage during shipping.
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bulldozerd8t
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If you do the mod that tacticool22 told us to do, your bolt will stay open 100%. After doing the mod my stays open all the time.
(After the last shot)
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bulldozerd8t
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Phil did you ever do the mod tactical22 said to do on the bolt catch spring my bolt stays open after last shot 100% and duckslayer did the mod also and his is fixed too !!!!!
