Majorlk
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Welcome Aboard. It's nice to have another manufacturer on the forum.
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Fab Defense Mag Well Grip
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Welcome Aboard. It's nice to have another manufacturer on the forum.
MakoDefense
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Understand that you cannot necessarily base decisions on what well-known trainers are doing - some teach techniques that are not necessarily the best practices, or promote equipment that is not the best for the purpose.
Some develop fighting theory to sell new products. Some promote techniques that sell manufacturer's products or or use and promote certain products in exchange for free product, exposure, or advertising dollars from manufacturers. Then other trainers follow the trends they start because their customers see it as the latest and best techniques. Some techniques become a fad more than anything else.
For example, look at the trend with trainers toward micro-sized red-dot sights on full sized carbines. Extensive research has proven that a sight with around a 30mm aperture is most effective for CQB work on a carbine or rifle. Any larger is just more bulk, weight, and potential for breaking, while smaller means it is more difficult to use, requires more precise head placement, and can make it harder to pick up the reticle in awkward positions.
However, when you look at the quality of the good sights today, they will last for many years. You can buy one today and still be using it in 15 years - unlike $70 the knockoffs, which you have to replace every year. So to keep selling sights to you, the quality manufacturer needs to make the sights fail after a given time, which they fortunately do not, or come out with a new concept and make you want it. They work with the trainers to create a shift to the new sight designs. After a couple years, you will see another shift to something else, I'm sure - probably back to a full size sight of some type.
By the way, we also do not teach a magwell hold - we could to sell our product - but we do not because it does not fit the method we are teaching as well as the the stance we teach, and we will not change our proven training to sell a product. Fortunately, there are other training companies that feel the same way about their training, and again, with a lot of the stuff, it is not a matter of right or wrong, but different ways, or even good and better.
MakoDefense
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Thanks! Feel free to contact me about any of our products or anything else. Keep in mind that I am not really a sales guy, so I will tend to be pretty honest about what I think of each product - there are some I like, some I don't (just because of personal preference - not because they are bad products) and some that just don't fit my needs. I will be glad to help you determine if one of our items will fit your needs, or recommend an item that might work better for you.
Keep in mind that some of the gear we offer is pretty much universally useful, while other stuff may look cool or may look really odd, but was designed for a specific unit or units for a very specific need, and 99% of shooters will have no need for that particular item.
Kayback
Member
I'm sure you've got some data to back up your claims, but in my sample size of one I prefer the micro red dots.
I've used various 30mm tubes for various applications, going back to the CompM and I must say the performance and weight savings of the H-1 kick most of the 30's in the behind.
That being said I am a hobby shooter. Combat shooters may have a different idea.
KBK
I've used various 30mm tubes for various applications, going back to the CompM and I must say the performance and weight savings of the H-1 kick most of the 30's in the behind.
That being said I am a hobby shooter. Combat shooters may have a different idea.
KBK
Kayback
Member
Well stated!
That being said there is a lot of "the Israeli's do it this way!" in current training circles.
Tell your tech guys that the "gear" page on your website is down
KBK
DialTone301
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Gatillo
Member
Did you not see the earlier image I posted? Do you not see how cool it looks on my tactical 22lr rifle!?!
MakoDefense
Member
This is exactly what I was talking about. Around a 30mm aperture may be ideal, but does that mean that you have to change your preference and run out and buy one? Does that mean that you are wrong for using the sight you are using? Absolutely not. If what you have works well for you, then I would be the last to tell you to change. You have it, it works perfectly for your purposes, you like it, so you are good to go.
MakoDefense
Member
Well stated!
That being said there is a lot of "the Israeli's do it this way!" in current training circles.
Tell your tech guys that the "gear" page on your website is down
KBK
Thanks, looks like all but the front page is down. I'll see if I can get it fixed.
The reason for the attention on Israeli techniques, is that Israel has been fighting the type of war that the US is now in for many decades. The IDF has had a lot of time to refine techniques that work well for them. However, when we teach, we don't say, "Do it like this because that is how it is done in Israel."
When we teach, we always say, "We do it this way, and this is why." We don't like the idea of saying, "Do it this way because I said so," or "Do it this way because it is the only way."
If we always give the logic behind the method, then the student knows the reasoning, which may not necessarily fit his current situation. For example, there are methods used in Israel that may be fine for a US soldier or civilian, but would not go over well in some LE agencies. Other techniques may be applicable to counter-terror operations or self-defense, but would not be best for anti-terror work. By teaching the logic behind the method, the trainee can more easily recognize what is valuable for him in his particular situation, and what he may not want to adopt.
