Kayback
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I'm very interested in looking different. Especially for a range toy.
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Can you say "Bullpup"
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I'm very interested in looking different. Especially for a range toy.
compshootfl
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I love what your doing...keep it going.
I think this type of lower would be considered an "accessory component" and not needing a serial # or transfer through an FFL, something to check into.
Disclaimer: I am not an attorney and make no claims to the accuracy of any statements.
I think this type of lower would be considered an "accessory component" and not needing a serial # or transfer through an FFL, something to check into.
Disclaimer: I am not an attorney and make no claims to the accuracy of any statements.
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This looks great to me. I really like bull-pups.
I have a suggestion,an extended railed for-end to the rear of the flash hider so you can move the front sight forward and move the rear sight to a usable spot.
This does not have to be full 360* unit but slant cut/radius from front to original for-end with an area near the top of your front grip for your thumb to rest against.
The rail mounted cheek / case deflector is a very good idea.
Good luck with your project, I know I'd be interested if it comes to fruition.
This looks great to me. I really like bull-pups.
I have a suggestion,an extended railed for-end to the rear of the flash hider so you can move the front sight forward and move the rear sight to a usable spot.
This does not have to be full 360* unit but slant cut/radius from front to original for-end with an area near the top of your front grip for your thumb to rest against.
The rail mounted cheek / case deflector is a very good idea.
Good luck with your project, I know I'd be interested if it comes to fruition.
Dikinalaska
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So just curious, isn't the serial number on the lower? So the factory lower is the part that's considered the firearm. That being said wouldn't the bullpup lower also be considered the firearm, meaning it would require the tax stamp to produce? I coukd see it not needing one if it was a shell over the factory lower, but making it to replace the lower is different isn't it? I'm not trying to naysay at all, I love it, just don't want to see you get in trouble
Dik
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I believe he has stated that it would just be a "shell" and therefore would not need SN#, since the 15-22 is the "lower" that gets put into it. I do not believe that he was trying to fabricate a lower. Be Safe,
Dikinalaska
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That's kind of what I thought as well, but looking at the pictures it's only as wide as the upper and if he was incorporating the factory lower he wouldn't be waiting on trigger parts. And if it were a shell, some SERIOUS cutting would need to be done to the factory lower to fit inside there. Of course this is just speculation, and let me reiterate- I'm all for this project, so sorry if it seems like I'm downing it, I'm really not. I'm just curious.
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Not at all, I too am curious. I think he was waiting for internal parts such as rods/linkage to connect current trigger location to the factory location. I also believe he said that his plan was that it would use the factory pins to insert it in stock/shell. I know nothing other than what I have read. Have a great day Dikinalaska. Be Safe,
moosehead4355
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Very nice, makes me want to buy a 15-22.
GET YOUR FINGER OFF THE. . . . . . . wait. . . nvm. . .
But seriously, i have to agree with most, other than the foregrip deisgn, i'm digging it! Might have to look into an extended quad rail (or at least extending it on the bottom for an AFG)
Coming along nicely and props for actually DOING it!
Majorlk
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Looking at the design, aren't the iron sights rather useless ... especially the rear one?
This is very cool
With a few refinements I could like one of these. I've always wanted a short rifle but something called the NFA holds me back. I think I'm going to aim for something like this in the future, maybe in the 'barely legal' category.
With a few refinements I could like one of these. I've always wanted a short rifle but something called the NFA holds me back. I think I'm going to aim for something like this in the future, maybe in the 'barely legal' category.
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Rundover
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My reasoning behind this project was to get a shorter rifle, SBR, but without a tax stamp and using my existing 15-22 without destroying it. Right now I can change from my standard MOE -15-22 to the Bullpup lower in seconds using the takedown pins. All of my furnature is on QD mounts except for the iron sights and the reason you see them in the photo. It is obvious that they are useless on the Bullpup but in seconds they are usefull when changed back to the 15-22.
As for some have noted about a shell over the lower, this can't be done without destroying the factory lower. Our lower has a fixed buffer tube which would have to be cut off for this to happen, which would violate my primary goal.
The forward grip is a natural angle, just a little high and will change some. I had thought about adding a rail where the grip is but I have concerns. I think it is a good thing to stay away from the business end of a rifle. I also think putting a vertical grip at the front would be an un-natural grip and uncomfortable, but am still exploring it as well as other options like an adjustable grip.
As for some have noted about a shell over the lower, this can't be done without destroying the factory lower. Our lower has a fixed buffer tube which would have to be cut off for this to happen, which would violate my primary goal.
The forward grip is a natural angle, just a little high and will change some. I had thought about adding a rail where the grip is but I have concerns. I think it is a good thing to stay away from the business end of a rifle. I also think putting a vertical grip at the front would be an un-natural grip and uncomfortable, but am still exploring it as well as other options like an adjustable grip.
Majorlk
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Thanks for that clarification. I see the logic now.
Dikinalaska
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So than how are you goin to address the lower being the firearm part of it? I think technically you're manufacturing a firearm because the lower is the serialized part. If so, doesn't the manufacture of a firearm require the tax stamp before you even begin the build? Again, I love the project, just don't want to see it get taken away before it comes to fruition.
Dik
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Rundover
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Firearms may be lawfully made by persons who do not hold a manufacturer’s license under the GCA provided they are not for sale or distribution and the maker is not prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from assembling a non-sporting semiautomatic rifle or shotgun from 10 or more imported parts, as set forth in regulations in 27 C.F.R. 478.39. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and advance approval by ATF. An application to make a machinegun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for the official use of a Federal, State, or local government agency (18 U.S.C. § 922(o),(r); 26 U.S.C. § 5822; 27 C.F.R. §§ 478.39, 479.62, and 479.105).
Dikinalaska
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So you don't need the tax stamp to build it for yourself? Not trying to argue, just trying to understand. Either way it seems this will only be possible for yourself for now right. Puts the possibility of anyone else getting one in the near future kind of out of the question. No matter what I applaud you and your efforts.
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jagular
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I looked at the red jacket bullpup for the ruger 10-22 and their version is a true shell as the stock trigger, barrel, etc are all housed in it. You will be manufacturing the "gun" part of the version for the 15-22 since you are not using the lower receiver. I doubt you'll ever be able to sell/make these for anyone else but it will be cool to see what you come up with.
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Rundover
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What if I make this, test it, and it works really well. Can't I sell just the shell to anyone and it would be up to the individual to put their own parts in to build their own Bullpup?
roadkill45
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read it again....requires ADVANCE APPROVAL of the ATF prior to the build.
You can't start building an SBR/Can/SBS/etc w/o having the paperwork first.
Bad JuJu if you start prior to the paperwork. even if they can prove that you made a part that could pertain to the build you could be busted.
that's why a lot of folks who SBR do the work on the upper at another location since even having the upper in the same house as a host weapon is could constitute making the gun w/o the proper paperwork.
don't want to piss on a parade but if it is just a shell then you are good like the Archangel **** for the 10/22, but if you are modding the serialized lower prior to approval, i wouldn't be saying anything about it.
