California Bullet Button

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Just can across this thing called "California Bullet Button".

This video shows what it is (required on semi-autos in, you guessed it, CALIFORNIA) and a tool to work around it.

California Bullet Button Secret - YouTube

What kind of idiots come up with ideas like this. Our government lives in a whole different world than the rest of us.

Sorry for you shooters in CA. I used to live there, but moved next door (AZ)...
 
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Apparently CA has 2 new anti-gun bills, one would make "bullet button" AR's required to be registered as AW or you will become a felon... Great state!
 
Yeah, the law here says that an "assault" rifle is illegal. It then goes on to define what an assault rifle is. To be an assault rifle it must have a removable magazine and one of several other features.

This is an assault rifle according to CA law:
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But, this is not:
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Can you tell me what the difference is? Yep, the one on the bottom has a fixed magazine. Because you have to use a "tool" to remove the magazine, it is considered fixed.


Just out of curiosity, what does this have to do with M&P pistols?
 
Rastoff said:
Yeah, the law here says that an "assault" rifle is illegal. It then goes on to define what an assault rifle is. To be an assault rifle it must have a removable magazine and one of several other features.

This is an assault rifle according to CA law:
colt-ar15-manu-pic.png


But, this is not:
HiLuxCMRScopefullgunsmall.jpg


Can you tell me what the difference is? Yep, the one on the bottom has a fixed magazine. Because you have to use a "tool" to remove the magazine, it is considered fixed.


Just out of curiosity, what does this have to do with M&P pistols?
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Sorry about this, I meant to post on the M&P15-22 section...Interesting subject anyways..
 
The bullet button looks like nothing compared to what was just recently adopted in the state. California is definitely not a place to be if you like freedom.
 
So, in CA, a removable magazine is not "removable" anymore because you need a tool to push on a release button to remove the non-removable magazine? Isn't it still removable?! :confused: :confused:

I'm trying to understand the logic here.
Thanks a lot, California. Now my head hurts.
 
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Hillbilly:

If memory serves, the "button" deal is such that a magazine that requires a tool of some sort to remove it. Bullet tip, perhaps. There's no formal "magazine release" button or lever on the gun.

Just IMHO, but it sounds like people who had no idea how the guns worked made the laws. Too many of those, really....

Regards,
 
Here's how the law reads:

12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon"
shall also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity
to accept any ammunition feeding device that can be removed
readily from the firearm with neither disassembly of the
firearm action nor use of a tool being required. A bullet
or ammunition cartridge is considered a tool."

Clear as mud, right? All the manufacturer of the bullet button did was comply with the law. The legislators wrote the law and the manufacturer didn't cross the line. Now, the legislators want to change the law.

You can read more here:
Non detachable magazines - Calguns Foundation Wiki

Bill
 
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You can't logically evaluate what Calif does because nothing they do with gun regs makes any sense. The state is now controlled by rabid liberals who don't have any common sense. Move To Az like I did
 
CA banned an extensive list of semi-auto rifles starting in 2010, the bullet was designed as a way to exploit the stupidity of the law thus allowing residents to enjoy semi auto rifles like the rest of the country; though only 10 rounds at a time. Someone else came up with the UBT "Ultimate Bullet Button Tool" so now you can have the tool to drop a magazine via the bullet bottom mounted on each magazine. I guess that was too much fun or dangerous so now they want to ban future bullet button sales and require current owners to register them as assault rifles.
 
They are basically trying to prevent you from switch magazines quickly. Them putting bullet buttons on them makes them feel better. That's why also we have only 10 rounds max here.
 
ynot333 said:
They are basically trying to prevent you from switch magazines quickly. Them putting bullet buttons on them makes them feel better. That's why also we have only 10 rounds max here.
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There is no "they" or "them" its us, the shooters or I guess a shooter that invented the bullet button so we could legally us AR's and other rifles in CA. Its a work around/compromise similar to the "offlist" rifles. Back when the "assault weapon ban" was passed, they had to name each specific rifle in the law, since then there are dozens of new names that can be found on AR lower receivers and as long as they are not on the banned list, you can put one together put a bullet button on it and you are good to go.
 
Thump-boom said:
You can't logically evaluate what Calif does because nothing they do with gun regs makes any sense. The state is now controlled by rabid liberals who don't have any common sense
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I was in Southern CA visiting relatives recently. Although I didn't have much chance to dwell into the local politics (or visit any gun stores), one of my in-laws in the trucking industry (owner-operator - construction related) commented he was going to be looking for a new career during the next couple of years because that's how long he had before the state's environmental regulations forced him out of business faster than the lousy economy. Seems that diesel powered tractors cause horrible pollution and must have filters installed on their exhaust. The cheapest he's found was something like $12K, and that's more than his tractor is currently worth. I know this is way further off the M&P subject....
 
walkin' trails said:
I was in Southern CA visiting relatives recently. Although I didn't have much chance to dwell into the local politics (or visit any gun stores), one of my in-laws in the trucking industry (owner-operator - construction related) commented he was going to be looking for a new career during the next couple of years because that's how long he had before the state's environmental regulations forced him out of business faster than the lousy economy. Seems that diesel powered tractors cause horrible pollution and must have filters installed on their exhaust. The cheapest he's found was something like $12K, and that's more than his tractor is currently worth. I know this is way further off the M&P subject....
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Yep..CARB...The California Air Resources Board... They are doing their best to destroy this state. Businesses are leaving due to the tax situation, liability issues, CARB, horrible business climate, and retarded laws such as the many gun laws in place. Of course, the democratic controlled state legislature created districting boundaries that guarantee their power, and as such have managed to create a super-majority to pass their one-sided super-liberal agenda.

What most people don't realize is that most of CA, from a geographical perspective, is very conservative. My county has shall-issue CCW and the Sheriff was one of those who joined earlier this year to oppose additional federal gun regulations. We are held hostage by the corrupt liberal government that wants to make the whole state run like LA and SF.
 
I moved to Norther California, Tahoe area, a few years ago. I had to outfit my rifles with the "bullet button" while I was there. Removed it as soon as I got back to my home in Missouri.
I see that CARB was mentioned, so I will tell a quick tale. I was mowing the grass at the rental while in California and a neighbor drove by and introduced himself. While he was there he noticed my gas can and started flipping out about it not meeting CARB standards and I could be fined if anyone other than him might have seen it. After almost dieing laughing I realized that he was serious. He advised me to take disassemble the gas can and only use it while out of state, TRUE story! Got on the Internet and found out he was right! They say that the gas cans have to meet LOW emissions standards.
I brought it up at my weekly VFW meeting and was told by a LEO member that the fine was......... Get this....... Cough, cough......$750:eek: but if it was him he normally just gives warning for the first time!:eek:
 
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