M&p 2.0, apex kit worth it?

Do I like the trigger? No. The physical trigger shoe. I would like to upgrade it to possibly an apex. My question since I have no experience with apex kits or many guns in general. Should I get the full kit or just a trigger? If just a trigger, are there other companies I should consider as well? If apex, aluminum or polymer?

I always recommend you shoot it until you get good with it, maybe shoot a few IDPA matches, and then decide what/if modifications you want to make. Action shooting under some simulated pressure is different than just playing with the trigger or casual plinking and you may change your mind with experience--or not.
If you plan any competition at all, the changing of the externally visible trigger disqualifies you from SSP or Production and puts you in with the modified divisions.

I always recommend the kit, but If you buy a stand alone trigger, you can always buy the duty kit w/o the trigger later when you're ready for the full awesome-ness of their trigger action.

I'm thinking I'm just looking at the physical trigger itself as I don't like the hinge design. I don't mind it on my shield, I don't like it on the 2.0. I'm just curious if I should do the whole kit or if from factory it's close to the apex? I know they improved a few things in the 2.0.

It's still better than the stock trigger.

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NewToGuns17 said:

I'm thinking I'm just looking at the physical trigger itself as I don't like the hinge design. I don't mind it on my shield, I don't like it on the 2.0. I'm just curious if I should do the whole kit or if from factory it's close to the apex? I know they improved a few things in the 2.0.

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Does yours have gritty pre-travel? Many report they still experience grittiness from the striker block. The new striker block in the Apex kit usually fixes this.

No one can really tell you what to get. If your only complaint is the actual trigger, you might as well just replace that with the polymer AEK for $40. But on the other hand... you can get the full DCAEK with the aluminum trigger for around $120 if you look around. I bought one for $123 shipped last night.

kitten_frenzy said:

Does yours have gritty pre-travel? Many report they still experience grittiness from the striker block. The new striker block in the Apex kit usually fixes this.

No one can really tell you what to get. If your only complaint is the actual trigger, you might as well just replace that with the polymer AEK for $40. But on the other hand... you can get the full DCAEK with the aluminum trigger for around $120 if you look around. I bought one for $123 shipped last night.

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It feels fine to me. I'm more so asking if I would be replacing parts and not making a change. As in s&w did a factory apex type upgrade

NewToGuns17 said:

It feels fine to me. I'm more so asking if I would be replacing parts and not making a change. As in s&w did a factory apex type upgrade

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S&W did a hell of a job improving the trigger over the 1.0 versions, but the Apex kit is still better than stock. I have Apex kits in all my M&P’s except one that I am keeping bone stock on purpose. It’s actually my wife’s who said I’m not allowed to touch it because she likes the stock trigger...she shoots it well too so who am I to argue!

NewToGuns17 said:

It feels fine to me. I'm more so asking if I would be replacing parts and not making a change. As in s&w did a factory apex type upgrade

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It's hard to say if the improvement is significant enough for you to notice, especially after you consider the wide range of the quality of stock M&P triggers. Even then, we have no way of knowing how perceptive you are of unwanted trigger characteristics.

What I can tell you is...
The polymer or aluminum AEK trigger alone will reduce the overall trigger pull length by 20%.
Most seem to notice a significant difference when comparing the Apex USB to the OEM striker plunger.
The Apex sear further reduces the overall trigger pull length and weight and most notice an improved reset as well.

You could just buy the trigger and add additional Apex parts further down the road. It's definitely cheaper to get the full kit though.

I have installed the Apex duty kit with a thin blue line trigger and its smooth, crisp. Reduced pre-travel and over-travel. Its everything a great trigger should be.
If you get a trigger and like it, you can install the duty kit later. $40 for a trigger isnt bad at all...

kitten_frenzy said:

Does yours have gritty pre-travel? Many report they still experience grittiness from the striker block. The new striker block in the Apex kit usually fixes this.

No one can really tell you what to get. If your only complaint is the actual trigger, you might as well just replace that with the polymer AEK for $40. But on the other hand... you can get the full DCAEK with the aluminum trigger for around $120 if you look around. I bought one for $123 shipped last night.

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Could you PM a link to that site?

wilkup said:

Could you PM a link to that site?

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I installed an Apex duty carry kit with the aluminum trigger in my 1.0C and it was a noticeable improvement. I also have a new 2.0C that has the stock trigger. In my opinion there is not enough difference between the Apex and stock trigger on the 2.0C to justify the cost to upgrade. I think the trigger on the 2.0C is pretty good out of the box. That's my worthless opinion.

I have a lot of apex trigger parts experience. I just tossed the Action enhancement trigger in one of my 2.0's just to see what it felt like. feels pretty good. If you just put the $40 polymer trigger shoe in it won't make as big of a difference as doing the whole kit but I like the apex shoe better for the shape and being non-hinged. I also find the shields stock trigger just fine but the full sized trigger shoe has a much steeper curve. The apex polymer trigger shoe itself, because of the geometry, does actually cut a bit of the pre travel and over travel so that's a plus. Keep in mind that if you keep the factory sear and install just the apex trigger shoe, there is a chance you may have to file off a bit of the over travel stop section of the shoe to get it to function properly because with the factory sear you actually have to pull the trigger a tiny bit further to drop the striker. The engagement point on the back of the apex sear is actually milled a bit rounded off so its not likely to be an issue if you do the whole kit. It also might feel like the trigger is a little bit lighter because of the point of leverage depending on where your trigger finger sits. With the apex trigger shoes, you can really get down super low with your finger tip and that sort of changes the fulcrum point and feels a little lighter. but that will be largely subjective to the individual shooter.

the magic of the apex duty/carry kits aren't AS apparent in the 2.0's as in the 1.0's but I still like them better. it's really hard to beat the crisp glassy break of an apex gun. Now, as soon as they come out with the Forward set sear flat trigger kit for the 2.0's... that baby is going straight on my 5" FDE. that will be the first kit actually designed for the 2.0 system. The parts they have now are the same ones they had before... they just happen to be backward compatible. They had to redesign and manufacture some new parts for the FSS kits that are supposed to be coming soon for the 2.0.

the FSS kits are where the true apex magic is at. have those in my two full sized 1.0's and they are incredible. Still, I like a bit more pre travel in a carry gun though.

I found the Apex aluminum trigger (#100-064) new on ebay for $60 shipped. (seller only had 3, I got the last one). and I bought the Apex 2-dot sear (#100-063) from Brownells for $40. Installed in 20 minutes (see youtube), insane awesome better than stock. 100 rds Win White box, and 50 rds of HST's, and 50 rounds of Win LE this weekend. NO issues, ran freaking perfect with fmj and both defense hollow points. Still has a bit of take-up, but breaks super clean and reset is sweet. And it looks way better too. Get the Aluminum, you'll be glad you spent the extra bucks. I never even fired it once in it's stock form, can't stand plastic triggers, sorry.

NewToGuns17 said:

Do I like the trigger? No. The physical trigger shoe. I would like to upgrade it to possibly an apex. My question since I have no experience with apex kits or many guns in general. Should I get the full kit or just a trigger? If just a trigger, are there other companies I should consider as well? If apex, aluminum or polymer?

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I added the whole Apex kit to my 2.0, and love it, although, I thought the stock trigger was good. I added an Apex shoe to the PC Shield. Both excellent upgrades! It's your choice!

Ordered the kit with the aluminum trigger. You guys better be right!

NewToGuns17 said:

Ordered the kit with the aluminum trigger. You guys better be right!

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I hope your just being cheeky....

Smakmauz said:

I hope your just being cheeky....

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Of course. But I figured for the price I would get the whole kit and not just the trigger shoe off of your recommendations.

Here's a question. I see that there are two new springs included in the kit. If i put both in or just one or the other, what will that do? In a video i saw, they put in the heavier trigger spring but stuck with the stock sear spring. What if i did both apex springs? Or both stock springs? I don't want sneeze on it light. I want to be able to slowly pull back without the trigger "skipping" or my finger shaking as i pull. What does a heavier trigger spring do for my trigger? And what does a heavier sear spring do?