jackrabbit000
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Does anyone actually use the forward assist on an AR? I've noticed that some of the lower end AR's don't even come with the forward assist anymore. Does having the FA add any value to the gun?
The lower end ones don't come with it because they are just that...lower end.
Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
The forward assist was not on the original rifle design from Stoner. Forward assist is an Army holdover from the M1 Garand and M14 days. On those weapons, there is an operating rod that allow you to push the bolt forward. In the AR, the charging handle only pulls the bolt to the rear, and can move independently from the bolt.
Arguments are made for and against. One popular argument for a FA is that if you ride the charging handle forward to silently close the bolt, you need the FA to ensure the bolt is fully forward and closed. The counter argument is that the scallop cut out in the bolt is there so that you can use your thumb to push the bolt forward. Inevitably, someone will argue that you can't do that when the bolt is hot... well, if the bolt is hot, I have been shooting, which really negates the need to be silent in my mind.
The military training used SPORTS in training on the M16. If you had a problem with the firearm you were supposed to
Slap gently upward on the magazine to ensure that it is fully seated and that the magazine follower is not jammed.
Pull the charging handle fully to the rear
Observe the ejection of a live round or expended cartridge. If cartridge is not ejected, perform remedial action
Release the charging handle; do not ride it forward.
Tap the forward assist assembly to ensure that the bolt is closed.
Shoot
Notice that even with this method, the FA is not used to ram a stuck cartridge home. If you follow SPORTS, that cartridge that failed to load has been ejected. If not, you are in deep doo doo. In my opinion, if your weapon fails to load again when the charging handle is released, it is time for remedial action, not a tap on the forward assist. Many shooting classes no longer teach the tap on the forward assist and go directly to remedial action when the firearm fails to load after clearing the initial stoppage.
Just a question.
How many other firearms have such a device?
Does anyone actually use the forward assist on an AR? I've noticed that some of the lower end AR's don't even come with the forward assist anymore. Does having the FA add any value to the gun?
Long time handgun shooter. But only been playing with AR's for a few years.
But the forward assist always seemed like a strange device to me. The bolt doesn't go all the way to battery because a round is jammed part way into the chamber. So, I want to use the forward assist to jammed it in tighter ?
contrary to the beliefs of some, you're not going to be able to do this with a thumb- the scallop on the bolt carrier is there to operate the dust cover, not for manually advancing the bolt with a digit of the hand).
A friend of mine got a mr15 T like mine his had the assist mine didn't I heard they were California compliant with them
We are both in NJ
Did anyone let Eugene Stoner know that? You know, the guy that designed the rifle and the scallop in the bolt?
If you are not able to push the bolt forward with your thumb, then you are going to have to give it more than a light tap on the forward assist as well. Just make sure to wear shooting gloves, as the bolt does get hot.
I'm not sure I understand your objection here. Furthermore, the scallop is on the bolt carrier, not the bolt. As explained, it exists to operate the dust cover. Anyone familiar with the mechanics of the AR understands this. That some have found they might, in certain circumstances (and only if one's thumb is small enough to fit in the ejection port), be able to utilize the scallop to attain a purchase with the thumb in order to move the BCG forward, is only incidental. The belief that the scallop exists in order to manipulate the BCG with a thumb is one of those internet myths that just won't die, apparently.
The forward assist generates much more force than can be applied with a thumb alongside the bolt carrier.
The objection is that Eugene Stoner designed the rifle without the forward assist as it exists today...The statement that Eugene Stoner advised to put your thumb in the scallop on the bolt carrier and push forward to close the bolt has been around a lot longer than the internet.
In short, Stoner didn't scallop the bolt carrier for forward assisting. That it might possibly be used that way is only something that was figured out afterwards.