When do I add Scope to AR15?

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Hello all,

I appreciate all your help so far. I am still learning my AR-15.

My goal is to have good aim from 50 to 300 yards so I can prepare for my first deer hunt in the next 1 year. So my goal is to practice shooting once per month to get practice aim.

I have not made any modifications to AR. I was trying to get better with front sights as much as possible before moving to Scope. I have not had any training with aiming yet.

So yesterday I went to outdoor range and shot with the front sights. I think I need more practice.

When should I upgrade from front sights to scope?

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Wow, the group is all over the target. I first off think the ar15 is too light of a cartridge for white tail in Texas. Minimum would be 300 BO. If you are going to hunt deer in Texas, you should probably consider .308 or AR10 for a confident kill round.

That being said, I know some people think they are great marksmen and can do a kill shot with a 22 caliber bullet, but I don't think that is the way to go.
 
Before doing anything, you need some quality instruction. Your going to end up with bad habits otherwise. Once you have the fundamentals down you can pick whatever sighting system you desire.

"Perfect practice makes perfect"

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I think you need to practice at 25 and then 50 yards and work at getting much better groups. After you know your iron sights are right on you can consider moving to a scope. The first major need is getting control of the trigger so that you are not moving as you pull the trigger.

When you decide to go with a scope I would go with a Nikon P223 or a Vortex as they both are great scopes.
 
Electraclyde said:
You need some professional instruction. You don't know, what you don't know. Bad habits are very difficult to unlearn.
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Thank you so much.

Where do I obtain professional instruction from in Houston? I do not mind paying for a class
 
fyimo said:
I think you need to practice at 25 and then 50 yards and work at getting much better groups. After you know your iron sights are right on you can consider moving to a scope. The first major need is getting control of the trigger so that you are not moving as you pull the trigger.

When you decide to go with a scope I would go with a Nikon P223 or a Vortex as they both are great scopes.
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Thank you,

A few questions here:

1. So all you guys know how to hit accurate with just the front sights at 25 to 100 yards? It seems impossible for me.

2. Should I be standing or siitting down whem practing with front sights from 25 to 50 yards?

3. Should I order a Bipod?
[ame]https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Tactical-Rubber-Center-Height/dp/B0035L35A8[/ame] I saw all of guys at range with this on their AR. They are fun to shoot.

Thank you
 
Please clarify what you are using for sights currently. You say front sights. Do you not have a rear sight? Are you using a carry handle or flip up rear sight?

With a little practice / training and a decent rifle, you should be able to put your shots in a paper plate size target from 25 to 100 yards relatively easily.
 
Where in Houston are you? A great place to contact would be The Texas Gun Club. They offer instruction and they have the only indoor 50 yard range in the city. They are in Stafford which is in the Southwest Houston area. You can either buy a membership (which has some advantages) or pay a range fee.

HOME ⋆ Texas Gun Club
 
Before I make any comments about training, there's some stuff we don't know. So, please answer these questions for us:

How long have you had this rifle?
How much shooting experience do you have?
The target you pictured was shot at what distance?
Did you zero your sights? If so, what distance?
When you were shooting, were you resting on the bags? Standing? Kneeling?

When you say, "front sights" are you just talking about the iron sights the gun came with? The commonly accepted term for the sights you have on the gun you pictured is "iron sights."
 
goodoboy said:
Thank you so much.

Where do I obtain professional instruction from in Houston? I do not mind paying for a class
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Join the Army or Marines, they'll pay you to learn. :D

I don't know what current Army standards are, but
everyone (infantry, cooks, clerks etc) had to qualify
annually with the current version "AR", with most
targets beyond 100 meters.

The longest shot was the 300 meter "E-type" silhouette,
sized to approximate a man's head & torso, from waist
up.

All with the iron sights...and lots of guys shot 40/40.
 
tckdrvr said:
Please clarify what you are using for sights currently. You say front sights. Do you not have a rear sight? Are you using a carry handle or flip up rear sight?

With a little practice / training and a decent rifle, you should be able to put your shots in a paper plate size target from 25 to 100 yards relatively easily.
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Thank you,

This is the exact rifle I have.
M&P(R)15 Sport™ II | Smith & Wesson I have not modified it or add any extras.

I was sitting on this bench shooting 50 yards looking at the front sights at first and I never hit the sheet of paper. For about 20 rounds, I did not even hit the paper.

Then I kept still, breath in and out, calm myself and use the rear sights and started hitting the paper. Keep in mind this is my 3rd time shooting.

I seriously risk I can just hire a good shooter (hunter) to teach me all the basics. So that's what I am looking for now.

Can the AR15 hit the middle at 50 yards with just front and rear sights?
 
goodoboy said:
Can the AR15 hit the middle at 50 yards with just front and rear sights?
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If the sights are zeroed, sure...you'll be able to hit a soda can
at 50 yards, easily--if the sights are zeroed, AND you achieve
proper sight alignment, sight picture, and apply decent trigger
squeeze.

These are fundamentals to shooting any firearm, and not
difficult to learn--but ya gotta learn, and apply them.

Like learning to drive a car, it will seem like a lot of things
to keep track of, in the beginning. With time and repetition
(which can be by dry firing), it will come automatically.
 
Thank you and I will respond below.

Rastoff said:
Before I make any comments about training, there's some stuff we don't know. So, please answer these questions for us:

How long have you had this rifle? I have had since 8/2017
How much shooting experience do you have? I have been shooting with the AR15 for about 300 rounds so far at 25, 50 and 100 yards. At 25 I am ok, but 50 and 100 I am just not good enough
The target you pictured was shot at what distance? 50 yards
Did you zero your sights? If so, what distance? What does zero your sights means?
When you were shooting, were you resting on the bags?
I was resting on those bags in the picture.

When you say, "front sights" are you just talking about the iron sights the gun came with? Yes The commonly accepted term for the sights you have on the gun you pictured is "iron sights."
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I took the Rifle Essential Skill Development – Athena Gun Club here back in September 2017, but the problem is I forget everything I was taught because I stop practicing because of work. We only shot at 17 yards. Now I will practice 2 times a month.

I really need some good training at 25-100 yards.

Should I be accurate with the iron sights at 25-100 yards?
 
Thank you and I will respond below.

Rastoff said:
Before I make any comments about training, there's some stuff we don't know. So, please answer these questions for us:

How long have you had this rifle? I have had since 8/2017
How much shooting experience do you have? I have been shooting with the AR15 for about 300 rounds so far at 25, 50 and 100 yards. At 25 I am ok, but 50 and 100 I am just not good enough
The target you pictured was shot at what distance? 50 yards
Did you zero your sights? If so, what distance? What does zero your sights means?
When you were shooting, were you resting on the bags?
I was resting on those bags in the picture.

When you say, "front sights" are you just talking about the iron sights the gun came with? Yes The commonly accepted term for the sights you have on the gun you pictured is "iron sights."
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I took the Rifle Essential Skill Development – Athena Gun Club here back in September 2017, but the problem is I forget everything I was taught because I stop practicing because of work. We only shot at 17 yards. Now I will practice 2 times a month.

I really need some good training at 25-100 yards.

Should I be accurate with the iron sights at 25-100 yards?
 
Steve912 said:
Join the Army or Marines, they'll pay you to learn. :D

I don't know what current Army standards are, but
everyone (infantry, cooks, clerks etc) had to qualify
annually with the current version "AR", with most
targets beyond 100 meters.

The longest shot was the 300 meter "E-type" silhouette,
sized to approximate a man's head & torso, from waist
up.

All with the iron sights...and lots of guys shot 40/40.
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Hello Steve912,

I wish I had join Army. It's a bit to late for me now, I am 37 years old, married, and full time job now.

WOW, so Army standard is to shoot acurately with iron sights from 100 to 300 yards? That is very impressive. It seems impossible for me.

What does 40/40 mean?
 
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