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Shorty 40 PC 4006
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lhump1961
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Original box and docs? Not that it shoots any better with that stuff but for selling it makes a difference. IMHO $1200 is a bit high for the gun alone even in like new or close to it condition...I would feel better somewhere under 1K but other opinions may vary. Of course it depends on location as well.
The Shorty 40 is a great gun and the most available of the Shorties as near as I can tell. I like mine a lot. Only you can decide what works for you...I have paid top $$ for a couple of my guns and soon forgot about the price.
Was lucky enough to run across a Shorty 9 a while back so still watching for the elusive Shorty 45.
The Shorty 40 is a great gun and the most available of the Shorties as near as I can tell. I like mine a lot. Only you can decide what works for you...I have paid top $$ for a couple of my guns and soon forgot about the price. Was lucky enough to run across a Shorty 9 a while back so still watching for the elusive Shorty 45.
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Sounds a little high to me, but when you say "excellent condition", is it scratched or scuffed at all? I don't know a lot about PC guns, but their value sure isn't going down. Its kind of hard to tell from one pic.
bgrone
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As has been said box and papers would make a difference. I bought a nice Shorty 40 about a year ago for $780 shipped. It's my EDC and I'm quite happy but it had no box or papers and only one mag, since then I have noticed a spike in asking prices. This is just my personal experience.
Jim in Iowa
As has been said box and papers would make a difference. I bought a nice Shorty 40 about a year ago for $780 shipped. It's my EDC and I'm quite happy but it had no box or papers and only one mag, since then I have noticed a spike in asking prices. This is just my personal experience.
Jim in Iowa
How bad do you want the gun? Is it NEW? As in unfired? I have sequential serial #'s, NIB with original box and paper. They are in the second 500 ( 3 runs of 500 ) 1992,93,95, I paid 1100 each for them in 1993, that was dealer cost! I have seen "excellent" with box/paperwork for 1000$ in the past year. I think 1200 is too high, but I have 2 in the box. As Ihump1961 stated: I have paid premium when I wanted something and did not look back. So can you live without it?? If so talk to them about price, if not count to 12 and it will be yours. Be Safe,
James&theGiant1911
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1200-1400 is the going price with all the paperwork and materials. These were Lew Horton pieces and limited to like 500 guns. Sometimes you will find 700-900 dollar pieces but they are usually well shot up, rough or missing paper work. I paid 780ish for mine but had to send it to Smith's performance center to have it touched up. The good news is that performance center gets you to the front of the line and the turn around is quicker than normal smiths that go in. The benefits of owning PC models I guess.
Is a Shorty 40 Mk 3 the same thing?
vigil617
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Please allow me to interject a couple of clarifying points about these, as I have owned a couple and paid a lot of attention to the posts on here about them:
1. There are a total of about 1,500 of these Performance Center pistols in the first version like the one you show here. They were done in three runs of 500 each, according to the lore.
2. The Shorty 40 Mk III is actually the next version of the Shorty 40. Don't ask what happened to the Mark II; there just doesn't seem to have been one.
3. Pricewise, I think your LGS is a little high unless this is a LNIB with all the bells and whistles. $900 to $1000 would seem to be reasonable for what you have described as "excellent condition" if it has all its original accessories.
Just my humble opinion; no more.
1. There are a total of about 1,500 of these Performance Center pistols in the first version like the one you show here. They were done in three runs of 500 each, according to the lore.
2. The Shorty 40 Mk III is actually the next version of the Shorty 40. Don't ask what happened to the Mark II; there just doesn't seem to have been one.
3. Pricewise, I think your LGS is a little high unless this is a LNIB with all the bells and whistles. $900 to $1000 would seem to be reasonable for what you have described as "excellent condition" if it has all its original accessories.
Just my humble opinion; no more.
lhump1961
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From what I know outside of cosmetics the Mk3 is the the same thing...someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
James&theGiant1911
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From what I know outside of cosmetics the Mk3 is the the same thing...someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
the shorty 40 mk2 was stainless and made in 1993 no MKIII markings just Shorty 40
the shorty 40 mk3 was made in melonite finish and I have seen some adjustable and fixed site models. Made in 1997. Shorty 40 MKIII and MKIIIs marked.
The Shorty 40 is a limited edition model limited to 500 batches for each year they had a release, I have heard of people having models into the 700ish range though on non MKIII models and they also had a MKIIIs (s= stainless) which I assume even less were made. Lew Horton was the exclusive distributor for these and have inserts in their original cases. There are not many floating around and since most people used them as CCWs even less with intact decals. I would have to look at the gun but they can range anywhere from 800ish for clean to semi clean guns and up to 1400 for BNIB examples.
Excuse my ignorance, but aren't the shorty forty's marked "Shorty Forty"? I have a Performance Center stainless .40S&W with a 3 1/2" barrel with a PCS prefix, and the PC seal, but it does not have shorty forty anywhere on the gun or box. Are the shorty forty's 3 1/2" barrelled guns? Thanks in advance for any info!
Anyway you can post some pics?
James&theGiant1911
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^^^ most of the time they were carried and they have worn off the Shorty 40 engraving long ago. It is not easy to find 90-100 percent decal intact models and the prices of these reflect that logo condition most of the time.
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Sooner or later people will finally grasp what a gem the PC guns are. To own 1 of 50, 1 of 150 of a international produced anything is quite special let alone that they were better made than anything before or since. Some guy past post commented on the rare 3000 run on colt 1911!. These will take the place of the register magnums and the 6 PCC and 6 inch target champions will be the first $10k smiths traded. The 6 inch target champions are selling for $5-7k euros across the pond now. My suggestion never sell your if you have one.
I can tell you that the Shorty 40 Mk3 had the slide marked on the right hand side at the front. On the frame left side above the trigger, the only reference is the serial numbers. Slight misleading is the label on the box or case. Model listing is 4006, Shorty Forty will show in the features area. If you have questions on your pistol and don't mind waiting I would suggest getting a Roy Jinks letter of authenticity to remove any doubts.
James&theGiant1911
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The silver ones I have seen and I almost bought a Shorty 45 have had the logo on the front of the slide as well. It appears that some of the first run generations do not have the Shorty 40 logo just the PC one. If that is the case then I would see if he would take a grand for it, that is if you want it bad enough. A lot of them have been carried and end up with bead blasted slides anyway so you need to examine the pistol closely.
vigil617
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I have never seen any of the "first version" of 1,500 Shorty 40s marked anywhere on the slide with the words "Shorty 40" the way the Shorty 45s and some of the Shorty 9s (the "6906 PC Compact" version, not the "5906 PC Compact" version) were laser etched on the right front sides of their frames.
Neither were the words "Shorty 40" ever part of any of the customary model and serial numbers roll marked on the left sides of the frames above the triggers, where S&W marks its semi-autos, to my knowledge.
I've also never seen, despite information to the contrary in this thread, any Shorty 40 Mark II of any kind, and certainly none ever marked as such on the gun or on the box label or in the SCSW. If such exists, I would love to see a photo confirming it.
Yes, definitely the Shorty 40 Mk IIIs (both the blued and the stainless versions) were laser etched on the right side of the frame, and the blued "Shorty 40 2000" model produced in (you guessed it) 2000 was etched as such on the left front side of the frame.
Prices recently on the first run Shorty 40s seem to be pretty consistent with what we have discussed here, and the Mark IIIs are bringing a little more -- except for the wild instance very recently where a NIB model sold, purportedly, on GB for $2,000. (You can still look that one up, and I'm still scratching my head about what happened there. All I can come up with is that it was a bidding war that someone was determined to win.)
OP, did you ever pull the trigger on the purchase at your LGS?
Neither were the words "Shorty 40" ever part of any of the customary model and serial numbers roll marked on the left sides of the frames above the triggers, where S&W marks its semi-autos, to my knowledge.
I've also never seen, despite information to the contrary in this thread, any Shorty 40 Mark II of any kind, and certainly none ever marked as such on the gun or on the box label or in the SCSW. If such exists, I would love to see a photo confirming it.
Yes, definitely the Shorty 40 Mk IIIs (both the blued and the stainless versions) were laser etched on the right side of the frame, and the blued "Shorty 40 2000" model produced in (you guessed it) 2000 was etched as such on the left front side of the frame.
Prices recently on the first run Shorty 40s seem to be pretty consistent with what we have discussed here, and the Mark IIIs are bringing a little more -- except for the wild instance very recently where a NIB model sold, purportedly, on GB for $2,000. (You can still look that one up, and I'm still scratching my head about what happened there. All I can come up with is that it was a bidding war that someone was determined to win.)
OP, did you ever pull the trigger on the purchase at your LGS?
James&theGiant1911
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That gun was not that great either, I bought mine when a group of 3-4 hit the market around 2 years ago. They were going for the 800-1200 maybe 1400 ish range then for a LNIB model. When there are none on the market or the auction sites and only one model here and there shows up then the price reflects the higher demand for scarce guns. The ones that bought one like me, tend to hold on to them and thus when some hit the market the prices could be higher from people who have been waiting years to find one. I stumbled on the Shorty 40 but I got very lucky with a 3 am Buy It now to find a 3913tsw and I wanted one and looked for almost 18 months before I found one.
vigil617
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Agreed, James, and the Shorty 9s and the Shorty 45s are excellent examples of how there will be none, then suddenly one or two, and the prices reflect how folks jump on them again.
Shorty 40 was the first PC gun I ever bought, about two years ago, and I really enjoyed it. I don't have it anymore, but it and another Shorty 40 I had bought both now have good homes and owners who love them.
Shorty 40 was the first PC gun I ever bought, about two years ago, and I really enjoyed it. I don't have it anymore, but it and another Shorty 40 I had bought both now have good homes and owners who love them.
