Sig 10mm vs. 1006 vs. Glock 20 Gen. 4

Outrider · Nov 22, 2016

Has anyone bought all three of these -- the Sig-sauer 220 Elite 10mm, 1006 and Glock 20 Gen 4 -- and shot them side by side?

What's the range report -- and what are your preferences? What are your insights and impressions -- in how the three compare?

I'm especially interested in how the Sig 220 Elite compares with the 1006 -- pro and con -- as I'm thinking about picking up one or two of the Sigs.

(However, my REAL dream would be for Smith to get over their bitterness with the FBI -- and bring back a product-improved 1006 series -- including a 1016 and a 1056.)

(I also dream of world peace...)

colt_saa · Nov 22, 2016

I have been a fan of the 10MM Auto cartridge since it was introduced.

That first year I picked up a 1006 and my father bought the Delta Gold Cup. I still have both

I need to do better pictures

I have had a SIG P220 chambered in 10MM Auto for probably 5 or 6 years now.

I have not and will never buy a Glock. I am not bad mouthing them. They are durable and accurate enough. They just do not feel right in my hand. Further, they added finger grooves. With my large fingers, the grooves catch me mid finger and it is terrible. I have carried Glocks when issued to me, I just did not like them

How do the three compare, they don't. They are totally different. The 1006 is the softest shooting of the three. It may also be the most rugged. The P220 is the most accurate. The Glock wins in magazine capacity and the weight department

I do not believe that Smith and Wesson is bitter over the 10MM pistols, heck different people own and run the company these days. It is simply a matter of business. They are making more than three quarters of a million firearms each year. They build the ones that sell fastest and have the best return on investment. Unfortunately for the few fans out there that is not the 1006

Yes I still have and shoot my 1076

Early on I realized a longer barrel would really make this cartridge shine so I grabbed on of the 7" long slide 1911s that Harry Sanford's company had introduced.

As to Smith and Wessons in 10MM Auto, how about a 1013/1014/1053/1054 pistol?

Or what about a CS10 pocket gun?

Then there are the revolvers that Smith and Wesson did make. If you lengthen the chambers they can shoot 40S&W, 10MM Auto or 10MM Magnum. All in the same moon clip if you like

When it come to soft shooting pistols, the Mauser M2's rotating barrel design makes the pistol feel like you are shooting a soft 40S&W

We have not yet even gotten into the many others out there. The EAA Witness line, the Dan Wesson Bruin, the Kimber Match Target and many many more.

Bozz10mm · Nov 22, 2016

I have a 1006 and my son has a Gen 3 Glock 20. Although I love my 1006, I have to admit that I shoot the Glock better. Also, even with Underwood ammo, the felt recoil is less. Have not shot the Sig 220.

Tom S. · Nov 22, 2016

Glcok has a relatively new pistol, the G40 that has a 6 inch barrel. The added weight should help mitigate some of the recoil, plus the pistol comes with four additional backstraps that allows users to customize the grip to suit their hand. Last, it comes configured for easily adding a red dot site of the Fastfire and other brands variety. Might be worth at least looking at, but if you're buying to carry, it's probably too large.

Ascension · Nov 22, 2016

Bozz10mm said:
I have a 1006 and my son has a Gen 3 Glock 20. Although I love my 1006, I have to admit that I shoot the Glock better. Also, even with Underwood ammo, the felt recoil is less. Have not shot the Sig 220.

Interesting that you would say this. I owned a Glock 29 as my 1st 10mm. However when my son bought me a 1066 for my birthday after the 1st trip to the range the Glock stayed in the safe until I sold it. Felt recoil with Underwood rounds was MUCH less with the 1066 than the 29 and the 1066 just flat shot rings around the Glock in accuracy. Size and weight on both were very close but my 1066 made the Glock feel like a cheap toy in comparison on the range.
On the SIG, looked forward to it coming out but just can't warm up to the way they feel in my hand. Something about the ballace and grip just does not agree with me.

Bozz10mm · Nov 22, 2016

Yes the Glock 29 is going to have more felt recoil than the Glock 20. And the Glock does feel like a cheap toy compared to the 1006.

James&theGiant1911 · Nov 23, 2016

One reason is the 10xx series SW is built like a tank, it iirc has the ability to handled the hottest of hot 10mm loads and do it all day every day. Something the Delta Elite could not say at the time.

If given a choice that is what I would pick, heck it is what I picked.

The EAA witness is nothing more than the second iteration of the Bren 10. Which is the original 10 mm, if you want to get into 10mms then the best way use to be the Smith and Wesson 10 series but with the prices increased like they are. I am not sure if this is the case any longer.

Nighthawk and Wilson both had/ or have a 10 mm option for their firearms but to me they should be 45 ACP 1911s and not 10mm converts.

BruceM · Nov 23, 2016

The EAA witness is nothing more than the second iteration of the Bren 10.

Not hardly!! Any similarity between a Witness and a Bren Ten is purely coincidental. Further, the majority of folks who make this statement have never shot a Bren Ten.

Bruce

James&theGiant1911 · Nov 23, 2016

BruceM said:
Not hardly!! Any similarity between a Witness and a Bren Ten is purely coincidental. Further, the majority of folks who make this statement have never shot a Bren Ten.

Bruce

You and sonny crocket made the Bren Tenn what it is today.

Shadow1006 · Nov 23, 2016

I have run the S&W1006 since Mar 1990, fantastic pistol! All of the 10xx series have been solid firearms. I got the G-29 and G-20SF because of the parts being phased out for the S&W's as I still shoot the 10's often and it gave different platforms to test ammo as loaded.

Haven't had the chance to try the SIG, but they appear to be good quality.

BruceM · Nov 23, 2016

You and sonny crocket made the Bren Tenn what it is today.

Not hardly!!

The statement was just grossly inaccurate as any Bren Ten owner would tell you. Outside of the fact that both guns have a number of features similar to a CZ75 they are dramatically different. While it's true that D&D started by trying to scale up a CZ to .45 acp proportions, they soon found that approach didn't work out very well.

By the way, you never mentioned if you were a current or former Bren Ten owner and shooter.

Bruce

James&theGiant1911 · Nov 24, 2016

BruceM said:
Not hardly!!

The statement was just grossly inaccurate as any Bren Ten owner would tell you. Outside of the fact that both guns have a number of features similar to a CZ75 they are dramatically different. While it's true that D&D started by trying to scale up a CZ to .45 acp proportions, they soon found that approach didn't work out very well.

By the way, you never mentioned if you were a current or former Bren Ten owner and shooter.

Bruce

I do not own a Bren Tenn, when they were selling for 750-1200 dollars I passed and picked up a 1076 Smith instead never regretted it. For that kind of money I am owning a Nighthawk or Wilson which I have one of the 45 Commander Nighthawk customs.

I would own a custom pistol smith piece over that particular gun everyday of the week. 3500 dollars for a safe queen that may or may not blow your hand off is enough for me. If your lucky to find one with a good functioning magazine that won't jam up or misfire then more power to you. There is a long history over that gun that I am not going into here. However, a modern armory company tried to remake the firearm and it turned into a disaster like the original piece. Do not know if you own one or just have them built up in your mind due to the famous TV show it was on. However, the gun even on the set was a miserable failure.

BruceM · Nov 24, 2016

There is a long history over that gun that I am not going into here. However, a modern armory company tried to remake the firearm and it turned into a disaster like the original piece. Do not know if you own one or just have them built up in your mind due to the famous TV show it was on. However, the gun even on the set was a miserable failure.

Your going to lecture me on the history of the Bren Ten. That's rich. Shadow1006 can fill you in as to why. Let's just say that I've forgotten more about that little sliver of firearms lore than almost anybody else knows.

As I said, the statements you have made are inaccurate to a fault.

Bruce

P.S. I don't own a single Bren Ten.

Jaymo · Nov 25, 2016

I would like a 1076, a 610, and a Star Megastar.
Well, I'd have a SIG, too. I just prefer the 220 to be a .45 caliber.
The Glock never fit my hand, and the trigger makes me want to vomit.
I've considered getting conversion kits for my .45 Witnesses.

44wheelman · Nov 25, 2016

Was thinking about another 10mm as company for my 1066. Had a delta, but non full supported chamber and mediocre accuracy tempted me to sell when prices went up. Had a g20, yawn, and gone. Had an eaa 10mm match, again never warmed to it...but there were no issues with the gun, semi regret selling it. So it is down to the Sig, and looked at one two weeks ago, I could live with that. But now I'm thinking dan Wesson bruin; already have a shorter gun for carry, so if I'm getting a target 10, why not a 6" bbl. have you considered the Bruin?

Ascension · Nov 25, 2016

I'm looking hard right now at the Rock Island Big Rock Pro Match Ultra double stack 6 in barrel 10mm.
PRO Match Ultra 6" HC - 10mm | Armscor International, Inc
Pro Match video overview
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oPqbiCE5rs[/ame]
Looked at a STI perfect 10a few months ago but $3K?? Single stack $1500 STI vs $600 Rock Island 10mm head to head. The Double stack pro carry runs $1200 street the STI Double stack 3K,

Code:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X21dfXz6Opg

There is a lot of speculation right now that at this year Shot Show both Remington and Smith are introducing new 10's so--.
Been a 10mm shooter for quite a number of years now and love the round.

Jaymo · Nov 25, 2016

Considering the price of the Bruin, I'll stick with my .357 and .44 mag, and .45 Colt revolvers for hunting.
Imagine if S&W made a 10mm target/hunting pistol along the lines of the 52. I'd be in for one. I'm not a fan of non-.45 ACP 1911s.
Honestly, the sweetest 10mm I ever shot was the 610.

Correction: I'm not a fan of non-.45 ACP or .38 Super 1911s.

Big Shrek · Nov 27, 2016

I've only got the G20SF, and added a 9" barrel
from Lone Wolf.
Want the G40, as it's better designed for hunting.
Want a 10xx, because they rock.
Have ZERO interest in any 10mm that holds less than 10 rounds
other than the 10xx series.
Had a Colt Delta Elite...they don't hold a candle to the Glock.
Felt Recoil sucks in a 1911 platform, in comparison.

Ever hunt hog?
You'll quickly appreciate the 17 rounds Glock mags

15 rounds standard, I added the +2 round mag ends.
When you walk up on a bunch of 'em,
17 rounds of 10mm is REALLY handy

Anything less...is well...asking to get a tusk.

Jaymo · Nov 27, 2016

I do hunt hogs.
I still don't want a Glock 10mm.
I use 2 different .44 mag revolvers for hogs.
I also have a mag Marlin 1894P and a 444P that I use for oinkers.
I prefer the power of the .44 mag to the 10mm for hogs.
For large hogs (we get some monsters in GA) I prefer rifle power.
As soon as the hogs learn how to climb up into the tree stand with me, I'll start carrying a hi-cap auto.

IF a Glock 10mm fit my hands, and IF the trigger didn't make me want to vomit, I MIGHT carry one.
Then again, my L1A1 holds 20 rounds of much more powerful ammo.
If I encounter the porkopalypse, I'll slam a drum in it and hammer away.

Seriously though:
I can definitely understand how comforting it would be to have more ammo quickly available when running into a large pack of feral sausage on the hoof. Those buggars are ill tempered and their tusks are sharp and nasty.

For the record, when I said 1076 in my previous post, I meant 1006, 1026, 1066, 1076, and 1086.

03Fatboy · Nov 27, 2016

Jaymo said:
Honestly, the sweetest 10mm I ever shot was the 610.

Me too. And I have two keepers in a 1006 and 1066.

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