smith10
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The CHP 4006s have the integral rail. Very cool.
The CHP 4006s have the integral rail. Very cool.
4006 CHP and 4013 sighting
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RedCardinal
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The condition and price of the CHP 4006 at Summit overwhelmed my resistance, and I bought one. Since I am selling my collection, I need something to shoot.
TNZ71
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The condition and price of the CHP 4006 at Summit overwhelmed my resistance, and I bought one. Since I am selling my collection, I need something to shoot.
I'm going to as well. The website is primitive, did you call them?
RedCardinal
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Yes, and talked to Mark. I have purchased from him previously. Very helpful and professional.
Fastbolt
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FWIW, I recently learned that the CHP has decided to replace their new 4006TSW's (which started entering inventory back about '06/'07), so there may be more TSW duty pistols hitting the used market at some point. If they do the same thing they did when they replaced their original 4006's, their officers may be offered the opportunity to buy their pistols, and the rest may be sold off to a vendor.
I'm unaware of the agency having formally announced the new contract to replace their 4006TSW's (or the gun company who won the bid/testing to announce it yet
), but it's probably not telling tales out of school to mention that it's a plastic pistol (still .40).
Also FWIW, it was maybe a little over a couple years ago that the CHP did some testing of some small plastic pistols on the market, and then decided to start replacing the 4013TSW's issued to their officers working plainclothes assignments, with a plastic compact.
CHP surveys previously showed (back in '06) that many officers were firing an average of 800-1200 rounds per year (not counting academy firearms training, as I recall), and the agency was buying 5 million rounds of ammunition per year.
I'm unaware of the agency having formally announced the new contract to replace their 4006TSW's (or the gun company who won the bid/testing to announce it yet
), but it's probably not telling tales out of school to mention that it's a plastic pistol (still .40).Also FWIW, it was maybe a little over a couple years ago that the CHP did some testing of some small plastic pistols on the market, and then decided to start replacing the 4013TSW's issued to their officers working plainclothes assignments, with a plastic compact.
CHP surveys previously showed (back in '06) that many officers were firing an average of 800-1200 rounds per year (not counting academy firearms training, as I recall), and the agency was buying 5 million rounds of ammunition per year.
That's interesting data and figures, appreciate you sharing. Have to admit that I am not a big .40cal guy but as I have matured, I definitely despise it a lot less. I guess I wanna say that it is kinda good to hear that at least some large organizations aren't totally abandoning the round. My buddy (local to me, middle of Ohio) is a Sheriff's Deputy and his issue is a .40cal. (sorry guys, it's tupperware)
I'm an enthusiast shooter who also carries daily, but I have NEVER got all wrapped around the axle with ballistics and "stopping power" and all that drama. I'm of the "center of mass with reliable ammo until the threat has ended." So gel tests and pretty mushroomed bullets don't dance in my dreams when I sleep, it simply doesn't interest me and the amped up arguments that take place on caliber/load interest me even less.
But there is one thing I know for sure...
I carry a 9mm and I am confident in it and with it. But on the range day when we are dropping plates and transitioning as quickly as we can (trying to NEVER miss,) I am certain that my 165 and 180 grain .40 S&W loads man-handle steel plates with noticeable more authority than my 9mm guns do.
.40cal is well out of it's "heyday" but this is a completely viable round for duty/service/defense use.
I'm an enthusiast shooter who also carries daily, but I have NEVER got all wrapped around the axle with ballistics and "stopping power" and all that drama. I'm of the "center of mass with reliable ammo until the threat has ended." So gel tests and pretty mushroomed bullets don't dance in my dreams when I sleep, it simply doesn't interest me and the amped up arguments that take place on caliber/load interest me even less.
But there is one thing I know for sure...
I carry a 9mm and I am confident in it and with it. But on the range day when we are dropping plates and transitioning as quickly as we can (trying to NEVER miss,) I am certain that my 165 and 180 grain .40 S&W loads man-handle steel plates with noticeable more authority than my 9mm guns do.
.40cal is well out of it's "heyday" but this is a completely viable round for duty/service/defense use.
You had me going.
I have been looking for a 4013 at a bargain price. Shame that gun is a 4013TSW instead of a 4013
I have been looking for a 4013 at a bargain price. Shame that gun is a 4013TSW instead of a 4013
cherrypointmarine
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I bought one of each. I have these guys in my favorites, and check them once a week or so. He buys collections, so you never know what he's going to have. If you look under used guns, he has a couple of other smiths for sale. Really nice guys to do business with.
TNZ71
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Now I'm gonna need .40 magazines too.
akguy1985
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I bought one of each, I figure I can use the 4013 as a CCW gun.
I bought one of each also, why did I read this thread? I guess that I owe Smith10 a beer. However, I added to my police owned collection and the prices were reasonable for this area of PA. I mentioned the forum and Mark said that he had a few calls, more 4006s in the pipeline, no so for 4013s. Hope they are lightly used, and "minty."
skjos
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I owe three beers; a new thread and pictures to follow when they arrive.
Some items of interest:
- 2006-2007 CHP contract was for 9,736 4006TSW's, but many factors could reduce the overall quantity available to the public.
- The 4006TSW (CHP) is only one of four 3rd gens with an integral rail.
- The CHP transition is estimated to take 2.5 years, so expect these to trickle in for some time, but I wouldn't anticipate the price to fall below what they are currently being offered at.
Some items of interest:
- 2006-2007 CHP contract was for 9,736 4006TSW's, but many factors could reduce the overall quantity available to the public.
- The 4006TSW (CHP) is only one of four 3rd gens with an integral rail.
- The CHP transition is estimated to take 2.5 years, so expect these to trickle in for some time, but I wouldn't anticipate the price to fall below what they are currently being offered at.
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Tex1001
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I can't find 4013 magazines at any of my normal channels.
I do have tons of 4006 mags, though.
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4013 magazines are very scarce these days. However the 4013TSW magazines are much easier to find since this is the same magazine that the Shorty40 uses.
Smith and Wesson offers a spacer to go on your 4006 magazines that makes them very nice in the shorter frames. One is pictured below with my Shorty357
The spacer is also available aftermarket from a couple of sources.
The 4013/4014/4053/4054 and the 4031TSW are totally different firearms.
The 4013/4014/4053/4054 are all single stack auto-loaders built on the 45 frame. They use 10MM magazines that have a spacer in them to shorten them to 40S&W length. They make great candidates for a 10MM Auto conversion
The 4013TSW is a double stack auto-loader based on the 40S&W frame. It takes the Shorty40 magazines or the 4006 magazines with or without the spacer installed. This firearm is not convertible to 10MM Auto
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Palmetto Sharpshooter
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Thanks for the heads up. These pistols were fairly expensive when originally purchased. Someone post pictures when you receive them.
Man-O-Man!
And here I am left out in the cold for lack of money and the fact that those three "post-ban" 11-rounders would have to be a throw away. The 4006TSW is on our approved list but those post-ban 11-rounders violate our MA AWB. 
I also promised the good wife that I wouldn't buy any more .40's due to the resale value being so low these days and how hard they are to get rid of generally. She will curse me after I'm dead just getting rid of the ones I already own.
I take a little solace in the fact that the condition of some may be questionable and I've not done well so far with random uninspected buys.
The odds of one meeting or exceeding the "TTSH Standard" cannot be known. 
cherrypointmarine
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I think most of us who are married are in the same boat. If someone wanted to start a business, and be totally honest with the spouses that are surviving, that would be a good business. Get your name known, maybe through the NRA, and when a wife loses her husband, you go in and give her the value of the guns, give her a fair price, and everyone wins. How many of us worry about what is going to happen to our guns when we die? How many of us have bought a S&W and sort of stretched how much we paid? I know I have. Just food for thought.
